Max 7 is the newest version of Cycling ’74 visual development to… um… erm…

Well, actually, it’s really hard to explain what tools like Max, Pd, Reaktor, Plogue Bidule, and the like can do. Sure, they’re nerdy environments for making stuff. But because they’re open ended – because what they do is really up to you – just calling them a “development tool” doesn’t really say a lot.

So, in a cute new video, Cycling ’74 shows off Max 7. It’s really stuff you could do with previous tools, showing visual and sonic capabilities. But if you didn’t fully grasp why that’s cool, maybe a singing mushroom will help. And long-time Max users will see that Max 7 has a very different UI – even if Max 5/6 themselves offered a lot of changes. Tools are in a trendy gray on the borders around the window, always handy, and there’s a new browser. No new objects are immediately obvious that I can spot, but I know there’s a lot more to Max 7 than that. I’ll try to see if Cycling wants to help a CDM out a bit with that information, but I’m pretty sure they’re being coy.

A first peek at Max 7

http://cycling74.com

Certainly, I hope Max 7 also coincides with the next Max for Live and that those are in sync, too. I’ll find out for us when they’re ready to reveal that.

PS, David, while you wrote that post in an airport – somewhere – I wrote the post about your post waiting in terminal D at Berlin Tegel. Even funnier would be if we were blogging each other across the room, but – not this time. Next time. Music for Airports. Blogging for Airports?

  • David Schroeter

    Trans-continental blogging cross-postination.

    Pretty disappointed in this video – I’m not sure that Max’s intended audience should be complete newbies; but the UI looks intriguing. Not unlike those OLPC XO computers.

    • As a teacher, I’ve taught both Max and Pd (and Processing, and other things) to complete newbies. So… why not? Isn’t that where we all start? And isn’t Max effectively a blank slate?

      You can make a very effective but very simple patch in Max and have it be useful.

      • David Schroeter

        You’re absolutely right; my phrasing was bad. The video just really struck me as strange. It doesn’t answer the question of what Max is for new folks, it doesn’t tease new features in 7, and I didn’t find it as funny as they seem to.

        I’m also hoping it debuts with M4L integration.

  • David Schroeter

    Trans-continental blogging cross-postination.

    Pretty disappointed in this video – I’m not sure that Max’s intended audience should be complete newbies; but the UI looks intriguing. Not unlike those OLPC XO computers.

    • As a teacher, I’ve taught both Max and Pd (and Processing, and other things) to complete newbies. So… why not? Isn’t that where we all start? And isn’t Max effectively a blank slate?

      You can make a very effective but very simple patch in Max and have it be useful.

      • David Schroeter

        You’re absolutely right; my phrasing was bad. The video just really struck me as strange. It doesn’t answer the question of what Max is for new folks, it doesn’t tease new features in 7, and I didn’t find it as funny as they seem to.

        I’m also hoping it debuts with M4L integration.

  • David Schroeter

    Trans-continental blogging cross-postination.

    Pretty disappointed in this video – I’m not sure that Max’s intended audience should be complete newbies; but the UI looks intriguing. Not unlike those OLPC XO computers.

    • As a teacher, I’ve taught both Max and Pd (and Processing, and other things) to complete newbies. So… why not? Isn’t that where we all start? And isn’t Max effectively a blank slate?

      You can make a very effective but very simple patch in Max and have it be useful.

      • David Schroeter

        You’re absolutely right; my phrasing was bad. The video just really struck me as strange. It doesn’t answer the question of what Max is for new folks, it doesn’t tease new features in 7, and I didn’t find it as funny as they seem to.

        I’m also hoping it debuts with M4L integration.

  • steadistone

    Agreed David. I watched it as a consequence of being on a Cycling ’74 forum mailing list. I didn’t find it amusing in the least and I am still shaking my head as to why they would throw away an opportunity to promote their revised product in a meaningful way. Now this video is making the rounds as “News” on high traffic music blog and news sites.

    • Joe

      The horror…

  • steadistone

    Agreed David. I watched it as a consequence of being on a Cycling ’74 forum mailing list. I didn’t find it amusing in the least and I am still shaking my head as to why they would throw away an opportunity to promote their revised product in a meaningful way. Now this video is making the rounds as “News” on high traffic music blog and news sites.

    • Joe

      The horror…

  • steadistone

    Agreed David. I watched it as a consequence of being on a Cycling ’74 forum mailing list. I didn’t find it amusing in the least and I am still shaking my head as to why they would throw away an opportunity to promote their revised product in a meaningful way. Now this video is making the rounds as “News” on high traffic music blog and news sites.

    • Joe

      The horror…

  • tiger

    <3 mushrooms

  • tiger

    <3 mushrooms

  • tiger

    <3 mushrooms

  • Randy G

    At first glance the two keyboard modules appear to be tracking incoming pitch. Maybe something of an extension of sigmund~ or fiddle~ or pitch~? I’m definitely interested to see what direction that is headed. I hope the videos that follow offer us a bit more info about the actual product. This video would have probably been better to save for after release. People that are unaware of Sam T might get the wrong idea from this more or less wtf presentation.

    • Good eye — yeah, I expect there are some other clues here…

  • Randy G

    At first glance the two keyboard modules appear to be tracking incoming pitch. Maybe something of an extension of sigmund~ or fiddle~ or pitch~? I’m definitely interested to see what direction that is headed. I hope the videos that follow offer us a bit more info about the actual product. This video would have probably been better to save for after release. People that are unaware of Sam T might get the wrong idea from this more or less wtf presentation.

    • Good eye — yeah, I expect there are some other clues here…

  • Randy G

    At first glance the two keyboard modules appear to be tracking incoming pitch. Maybe something of an extension of sigmund~ or fiddle~ or pitch~? I’m definitely interested to see what direction that is headed. I hope the videos that follow offer us a bit more info about the actual product. This video would have probably been better to save for after release. People that are unaware of Sam T might get the wrong idea from this more or less wtf presentation.

    • Good eye — yeah, I expect there are some other clues here…

  • Whatever.

    Max died at version 5. It became a plugin machine at version 6. This video just shows how removed from programmers’ needs they are. Do yourself a favor and patch in PD.

    • ex-hater

      Uh oh… does that make me a necrophiliac?

    • Huh?

      I have a lot of reasons to use Pd over Max – portability, small size, cross-platform support, open source…

      But… Max is to me much better now than it was before. And so all the reasons to use Max are likewise still advantages over Pd (for *those* tasks)

      So I’ve really no idea what you’re talking about. Clarify?

  • Whatever.

    Max died at version 5. It became a plugin machine at version 6. This video just shows how removed from programmers’ needs they are. Do yourself a favor and patch in PD.

    • ex-hater

      Uh oh… does that make me a necrophiliac?

    • Huh?

      I have a lot of reasons to use Pd over Max – portability, small size, cross-platform support, open source…

      But… Max is to me much better now than it was before. And so all the reasons to use Max are likewise still advantages over Pd (for *those* tasks)

      So I’ve really no idea what you’re talking about. Clarify?

  • Whatever.

    Max died at version 5. It became a plugin machine at version 6. This video just shows how removed from programmers’ needs they are. Do yourself a favor and patch in PD.

    • ex-hater

      Uh oh… does that make me a necrophiliac?

    • Huh?

      I have a lot of reasons to use Pd over Max – portability, small size, cross-platform support, open source…

      But… Max is to me much better now than it was before. And so all the reasons to use Max are likewise still advantages over Pd (for *those* tasks)

      So I’ve really no idea what you’re talking about. Clarify?

  • Ashley Scott

    Singing Mushrooms aside – so that’s the date in the right-hand toolbar? Goddam I always needed that when patching. FFS, maybe it’s time to *really* learn Supercollider

    • Guest

      More toolbars FTW!

      • Ashley Scott

        exactly

  • Ashley Scott

    Singing Mushrooms aside – so that’s the date in the right-hand toolbar? Goddam I always needed that when patching. FFS, maybe it’s time to *really* learn Supercollider

    • Guest

      More toolbars FTW!

      • Ashley Scott

        exactly

  • Ashley Scott

    Singing Mushrooms aside – so that’s the date in the right-hand toolbar? Goddam I always needed that when patching. FFS, maybe it’s time to *really* learn Supercollider

    • Guest

      More toolbars FTW!

      • Ashley Scott

        exactly

  • Dan Powell

    Jeez, it’s just a funny video. No need to get all mopey about the “state of Max”.

    • Yeah, I’m not in *love* with this particular video – I’m hungry to know more, and maybe there are even better ways to explain to newcomers what Max is.

      But I agree. It’s a teaser. Obviously there’s more to come. As a teaser, it seems fine.

      Incidentally, of course, 100% of people never like what you do. Most of the response outside comments has been positive.

      So anyone that weren’t turned on by this video, don’t worry – there’s more to come.

      I still like mushrooms.

  • Jeez, it’s just a funny video. No need to get all mopey about the “state of Max”.

    • Yeah, I’m not in *love* with this particular video – I’m hungry to know more, and maybe there are even better ways to explain to newcomers what Max is.

      But I agree. It’s a teaser. Obviously there’s more to come. As a teaser, it seems fine.

      Incidentally, of course, 100% of people never like what you do. Most of the response outside comments has been positive.

      So anyone that weren’t turned on by this video, don’t worry – there’s more to come.

      I still like mushrooms.

  • Jeez, it’s just a funny video. No need to get all mopey about the “state of Max”.

    • Yeah, I’m not in *love* with this particular video – I’m hungry to know more, and maybe there are even better ways to explain to newcomers what Max is.

      But I agree. It’s a teaser. Obviously there’s more to come. As a teaser, it seems fine.

      Incidentally, of course, 100% of people never like what you do. Most of the response outside comments has been positive.

      So anyone that weren’t turned on by this video, don’t worry – there’s more to come.

      I still like mushrooms.

  • teej

    Love it. This industry can always benefit from as much not-taking-itself-too-seriously as possible. Nothing wrong with a little fun…gi.

  • teej

    Love it. This industry can always benefit from as much not-taking-itself-too-seriously as possible. Nothing wrong with a little fun…gi.

  • teej

    Love it. This industry can always benefit from as much not-taking-itself-too-seriously as possible. Nothing wrong with a little fun…gi.

  • Jesse Engel

    This has Sam Tarakajian’s quirky humor all over it.

    While you might not like it for a product demo, it makes learning fun. Sam has over 54 Max tutorials on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD45EDA6F67827497 .

    Somewhere along the way he got hired by Cycling74, and was the lead developer of Mira, which rocks, so maybe we should give him a break :).

  • Jesse Engel

    This has Sam Tarakajian’s quirky humor all over it.

    While you might not like it for a product demo, it makes learning fun. Sam has over 54 Max tutorials on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD45EDA6F67827497 .

    Somewhere along the way he got hired by Cycling74, and was the lead developer of Mira, which rocks, so maybe we should give him a break :).

  • Jesse Engel

    This has Sam Tarakajian’s quirky humor all over it.

    While you might not like it for a product demo, it makes learning fun. Sam has over 54 Max tutorials on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD45EDA6F67827497 .

    Somewhere along the way he got hired by Cycling74, and was the lead developer of Mira, which rocks, so maybe we should give him a break :).

  • R

    Haha! I like the sense of humor to post this as a teaser video for Max 7!
    Even though “haters gonna hate”, Cycling74 surely know what going viral means 🙂

    • R

      *knows

  • R

    Haha! I like the sense of humor to post this as a teaser video for Max 7!
    Even though “haters gonna hate”, Cycling74 surely know what going viral means 🙂

    • R

      *knows

  • R

    Haha! I like the sense of humor to post this as a teaser video for Max 7!
    Even though “haters gonna hate”, Cycling74 surely know what going viral means 🙂

    • R

      *knows

  • wetterberg

    The video – seen on its own – is great! 🙂 I do still have some empathy for the experienced users, who see it as gimmicky and whatnot.

    And as per usual the rage is real, people make threats of abandoning the platform. Good riddance, hehe.

    I’m looking forward to more videos from Sam et al – hey, let’s go out on a limb here and say this probably isn’t the last teaser for max7 😉

    And Sam, if you’re reading this: GIVE US THAT SAW~ DESKTOP! I WANTS IT!

  • wetterberg

    The video – seen on its own – is great! 🙂 I do still have some empathy for the experienced users, who see it as gimmicky and whatnot.

    And as per usual the rage is real, people make threats of abandoning the platform. Good riddance, hehe.

    I’m looking forward to more videos from Sam et al – hey, let’s go out on a limb here and say this probably isn’t the last teaser for max7 😉

    And Sam, if you’re reading this: GIVE US THAT SAW~ DESKTOP! I WANTS IT!

  • wetterberg

    The video – seen on its own – is great! 🙂 I do still have some empathy for the experienced users, who see it as gimmicky and whatnot.

    And as per usual the rage is real, people make threats of abandoning the platform. Good riddance, hehe.

    I’m looking forward to more videos from Sam et al – hey, let’s go out on a limb here and say this probably isn’t the last teaser for max7 😉

    And Sam, if you’re reading this: GIVE US THAT SAW~ DESKTOP! I WANTS IT!

  • Mario Bjm Bajardi

    s Max for this ridicolissimo….Is only grammatical exercise….not music o sound…

  • Mario Bjm Bajardi

    s Max for this ridicolissimo….Is only grammatical exercise….not music o sound…

  • Mario Bjm Bajardi

    s Max for this ridicolissimo….Is only grammatical exercise….not music o sound…

  • jimlette

    This video isn’t much of an incentive to upgrade; more of a waste of time.

  • jimlette

    This video isn’t much of an incentive to upgrade; more of a waste of time.

  • jimlette

    This video isn’t much of an incentive to upgrade; more of a waste of time.

  • Martin

    i learned like 70% of my max knowledge from Sam´s tutorials and hold them in high regards.
    he has a different approach in explaining things and this video pretty much sums it up 🙂
    anyway, i hope max 7 get´s easier to patch ith every release and that he keeps on doing his tutorials.

    cheers

  • Martin

    i learned like 70% of my max knowledge from Sam´s tutorials and hold them in high regards.
    he has a different approach in explaining things and this video pretty much sums it up 🙂
    anyway, i hope max 7 get´s easier to patch ith every release and that he keeps on doing his tutorials.

    cheers

  • Martin

    i learned like 70% of my max knowledge from Sam´s tutorials and hold them in high regards.
    he has a different approach in explaining things and this video pretty much sums it up 🙂
    anyway, i hope max 7 get´s easier to patch ith every release and that he keeps on doing his tutorials.

    cheers

  • Jeff

    Can anybody tell me how much animation one can pull off in Max? Can you fill a screen with different animations sequenced to different instruments?

    • vichug

      in short : yes.

      • griotspeak

        Which is to say, “someone can tell you.”

  • Jeff

    Can anybody tell me how much animation one can pull off in Max? Can you fill a screen with different animations sequenced to different instruments?

    • vichug

      in short : yes.

      • griotspeak

        Which is to say, “someone can tell you.”

  • Jeff

    Can anybody tell me how much animation one can pull off in Max? Can you fill a screen with different animations sequenced to different instruments?

    • vichug

      in short : yes.

      • griotspeak

        Which is to say, “someone can tell you.”

  • Anon

    Brilliant video. I don’t know why people are down on it…it seems the easier the programming environment the more seriously people feel they need to take themselves. Just because Max makes brilliant things easy you can still chill out! Looking forward to 7.

  • Anon

    Brilliant video. I don’t know why people are down on it…it seems the easier the programming environment the more seriously people feel they need to take themselves. Just because Max makes brilliant things easy you can still chill out! Looking forward to 7.

  • Anon

    Brilliant video. I don’t know why people are down on it…it seems the easier the programming environment the more seriously people feel they need to take themselves. Just because Max makes brilliant things easy you can still chill out! Looking forward to 7.