Numark may have announced this week that it’s shipping the Numark NV controller, adding two displays with a window on Serato. But Native Instruments, for their part, appear no longer to be satisfied letting you hear about their upcoming Traktor Kontrol S8 via leaks on forums and social media. (Yes, uh… some of you noticed that.)

No, this time, we get to see the Kontrol S8 in an official Native Instruments video.

And right away, you’ll notice a big difference between Numark’s and Native Instruments’ perspective on the future of the controller: the S8 ditches the big jog wheels.

Frankly, I think it’s about time. Turntables are wonderful. But pretending a big wheel is a turntable on a digital interface is mixing metaphors. it makes about as much sense as adding a food trough to your garage and driving your car with a pair of reins because you miss your horse. Okay, sure, it works on a CDJ – though even there, what if a CDJ had controls befitting the fact that it’s a digital deck, not an interface for manipulating a disc?

Or, as Back to the Future so wisely put it while sucking its wheels into the body of its car:

But the best reason to nix the jog wheels is to have space for something more useful. It frees up a layout that can add controls newly introduced by digital DJing, for manipulating Remix Decks and other parameters, as clearly seen in the video.

Now, I know I’m getting into some trouble here. Jog wheels mean that you can mix music manually, as with a turntable. But then, if you want to do that, don’t you want control vinyl? And if your software can sync music for you, then why not set yourself apart using other DJ skills?

About that video… yes, you have to wait through the agonisingly-long, cliché shots of slow-motion partying, and some fairly vacuous quotes of major artists repeating different takes on the Native Instruments slogan. “It’s like Schlesiches Str 28 10997 Ber– … oh, sorry, that’s the address. I mean, it’s like the future of sound!”

But when they actually get to the hardware, it leaves little to the imagination. You really see the S8 – and the absence of jog wheels. (They’re not hiding underneath, I don’t think.) And one thing they do say that’s relevant: you can use the hardware without looking at a computer screen, taking Traktor in the direction Maschine and now Komplete Kontrol have gone, too (as well as products like Ableton’s Push).

Let me speculate about this. Actually, let me not. I prefer to talk about things when we can go into actual details and hard specifics. Also, I think the NI legal department can actually see me when I take a lunch break, and they might poison my currywurst. (Or, worse, some food in which you might notice someone adding something toxic.) But if you aren’t satisfied freeze-framing YouTube, apparently this image, leaked broadly via image search a couple of weeks back, is now running widely in the press:

kontrol

The teaser video … well, you won’t like it, but here we are. And we do have actual hardware coming soon to check out. Stay tuned.

But please, musical instruments industry, start making ads like this:

Source:
Car commercials from the 1980s were completely insane

The official site, now live:
http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/traktor/dj-controllers/traktor-kontrol-s8/

  • I love the direction NI is taking with the S8, let’s see how it will deliver

  • I love the direction NI is taking with the S8, let’s see how it will deliver

  • I love the direction NI is taking with the S8, let’s see how it will deliver

  • dylan digits

    Forget the car commercials; Music industry, start making ads like _you_ used to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBFUkAT_9YA

    This NI behemoth will cost more than I want to spend and do more than I need to do (see also: Maschine Studio) but I’m excited for a day when a simpler version* inherits the onboard display. The Traktor DJ app could interface with this and take away any laptop presence, turning your iPad/iPhone/iPod into a music library that can be hidden away during the set.

    *(2 channel, less remix deck bells and whistles… maybe something as simple as a Kontrol Z1 with a single display at the top that can flip between deck A and deck B?)

    • Oh, God, yes.

    • I also like the idea of a slimmer version – absolutely. And it’ll be interesting to see how NI handles the iPad in the situation…

  • nothingnatural

    Forget the car commercials; Music industry, start making ads like _you_ used to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBFUkAT_9YA

    This NI behemoth will cost more than I want to spend and do more than I need to do (see also: Maschine Studio) but I’m excited for a day when a simpler version* inherits the onboard display. The Traktor DJ app could interface with this and take away any laptop presence, turning your iPad/iPhone/iPod into a music library that can be hidden away during the set.

    *(2 channel, less remix deck bells and whistles… maybe something as simple as a Kontrol Z1 with a single display at the top that can flip between deck A and deck B?)

    • Oh, God, yes.

    • I also like the idea of a slimmer version – absolutely. And it’ll be interesting to see how NI handles the iPad in the situation…

  • nothingnatural

    Forget the car commercials; Music industry, start making ads like _you_ used to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBFUkAT_9YA

    This NI behemoth will cost more than I want to spend and do more than I need to do (see also: Maschine Studio) but I’m excited for a day when a simpler version* inherits the onboard display. The Traktor DJ app could interface with this and take away any laptop presence, turning your iPad/iPhone/iPod into a music library that can be hidden away during the set.

    *(2 channel, less remix deck bells and whistles… maybe something as simple as a Kontrol Z1 with a single display at the top that can flip between deck A and deck B?)

    • Oh, God, yes.

    • I also like the idea of a slimmer version – absolutely. And it’ll be interesting to see how NI handles the iPad in the situation…

  • well….i say that jog wheels are important, at least to DJs that like to / want to scratch. You can do pretty much any scratch routine with a little practice even on small wheels..even on the s4’s wheels. The absence of them makes that entire skill kind of go away (or at least need to be completely reinvented for a touch screen…but the physical interface helps greatly), since it is designed around a circular platter. Now, not everyone cares about scratching, and even those that do probably use it rarely (unless of course you are a scratch DJ, but then you are probably still using DVS anyway). But those of us who like to scratch the occasional vocal accapella find jog wheels nice to keep around….that being said…I’m all for ways to take DJing forward.

    • Heh – you’ve answered my question. The best scratch routines I’ve seen were all on turntables. And with various Technics 1200-like decks in production, actual vinyl seems to be going nowhere. (DVS or even a surprising number of people still hauling crates around…)

      So why would you want inferior jog wheels? Not because it’s practical in clubs – quite the opposite. Far more likely that a club will have working decks and *won’t* have space for you to come in with a coffin-sized USB controller. Right?

      • That’s a fair statement. Turntables and DVS are truly more accurate in most cases, but I’m not talking about the DJ Q-Berts and the like. I’m talking more about people like myself who just want to occasionally live scratch in something. There’s a course on digitaldjtips that is tailored to scratching for controllers, and the teacher shows a very convincing scratch routine on one of the smallest devices they could find! (I don’t remember off the top of my head which one).

        My point is more for those of us who aren’t turntableists, but still want the ability to scratch live on the device we know.

        • Well, that’s fair, too.

          I’m guessing jog wheels aren’t going away entirely, even if they’re absent here. But… well, touch strips might offer some new techniques, too, along with Remix Decks and the like. So you get something in trade.

  • well….i say that jog wheels are important, at least to DJs that like to / want to scratch. You can do pretty much any scratch routine with a little practice even on small wheels..even on the s4’s wheels. The absence of them makes that entire skill kind of go away (or at least need to be completely reinvented for a touch screen…but the physical interface helps greatly), since it is designed around a circular platter. Now, not everyone cares about scratching, and even those that do probably use it rarely (unless of course you are a scratch DJ, but then you are probably still using DVS anyway). But those of us who like to scratch the occasional vocal accapella find jog wheels nice to keep around….that being said…I’m all for ways to take DJing forward.

    • Heh – you’ve answered my question. The best scratch routines I’ve seen were all on turntables. And with various Technics 1200-like decks in production, actual vinyl seems to be going nowhere. (DVS or even a surprising number of people still hauling crates around…)

      So why would you want inferior jog wheels? Not because it’s practical in clubs – quite the opposite. Far more likely that a club will have working decks and *won’t* have space for you to come in with a coffin-sized USB controller. Right?

      • That’s a fair statement. Turntables and DVS are truly more accurate in most cases, but I’m not talking about the DJ Q-Berts and the like. I’m talking more about people like myself who just want to occasionally live scratch in something. There’s a course on digitaldjtips that is tailored to scratching for controllers, and the teacher shows a very convincing scratch routine on one of the smallest devices they could find! (I don’t remember off the top of my head which one).

        My point is more for those of us who aren’t turntableists, but still want the ability to scratch live on the device we know.

        • Well, that’s fair, too.

          I’m guessing jog wheels aren’t going away entirely, even if they’re absent here. But… well, touch strips might offer some new techniques, too, along with Remix Decks and the like. So you get something in trade.

  • well….i say that jog wheels are important, at least to DJs that like to / want to scratch. You can do pretty much any scratch routine with a little practice even on small wheels..even on the s4’s wheels. The absence of them makes that entire skill kind of go away (or at least need to be completely reinvented for a touch screen…but the physical interface helps greatly), since it is designed around a circular platter. Now, not everyone cares about scratching, and even those that do probably use it rarely (unless of course you are a scratch DJ, but then you are probably still using DVS anyway). But those of us who like to scratch the occasional vocal accapella find jog wheels nice to keep around….that being said…I’m all for ways to take DJing forward.

    • Heh – you’ve answered my question. The best scratch routines I’ve seen were all on turntables. And with various Technics 1200-like decks in production, actual vinyl seems to be going nowhere. (DVS or even a surprising number of people still hauling crates around…)

      So why would you want inferior jog wheels? Not because it’s practical in clubs – quite the opposite. Far more likely that a club will have working decks and *won’t* have space for you to come in with a coffin-sized USB controller. Right?

      • That’s a fair statement. Turntables and DVS are truly more accurate in most cases, but I’m not talking about the DJ Q-Berts and the like. I’m talking more about people like myself who just want to occasionally live scratch in something. There’s a course on digitaldjtips that is tailored to scratching for controllers, and the teacher shows a very convincing scratch routine on one of the smallest devices they could find! (I don’t remember off the top of my head which one).

        My point is more for those of us who aren’t turntableists, but still want the ability to scratch live on the device we know.

        • Well, that’s fair, too.

          I’m guessing jog wheels aren’t going away entirely, even if they’re absent here. But… well, touch strips might offer some new techniques, too, along with Remix Decks and the like. So you get something in trade.

  • Both Carl Craig & Luciano mix on Xone 92 mixers. Owning a Xone 92 myself, I doubt they will give their Xone 92’s for a digital mixer.(controller). I’m hoping that leads to the left (or right) side (without mixer section) of the S8 being released standalone, like a hybrid X1/F1 with onboard display.

  • Both Carl Craig & Luciano mix on Xone 92 mixers. Owning a Xone 92 myself, I doubt they will give their Xone 92’s for a digital mixer.(controller). I’m hoping that leads to the left (or right) side (without mixer section) of the S8 being released standalone, like a hybrid X1/F1 with onboard display.

  • Both Carl Craig & Luciano mix on Xone 92 mixers. Owning a Xone 92 myself, I doubt they will give their Xone 92’s for a digital mixer.(controller). I’m hoping that leads to the left (or right) side (without mixer section) of the S8 being released standalone, like a hybrid X1/F1 with onboard display.

  • Manoo Bahar

    pretty dumb article of an guy who dont know what a jog wheel and pitch sliders means to real djs….

    • What’s a real dj? I started DJing on technics and a Xone 62. There was no sync, no jogwheels. We bought these big round things called records. I currently own technics and a xone 92 with 2 x1 Mk2s. I don’t use timecode, the technics are for mixng real records which i still like to buy.

      But when im mixing digitally, i dont want any jogwheels. They don’t mean anything to me. I owned an s4 previously and never touched them. Thats how i do things, doesnt make me less real than you. Ive been djing for a long time.
      Ive also been reading this site for a long time and Peter Kirn is as ‘real’ as they get.

      • manoob1

        Replacing 2 of the most creative parts of djing with screens you already had on you computer…pretty dumb. In your case not using jog wheels and pitch .. e very one to their taste but hey there are stuff you can only do with those except scratching since you don’t what they are.. well not a dj I would go to watch…

    • Frank

      Really? You think these 2 things define the DJ art? Oh boy
      The real DJ’s want’s to play their own ideas live and the tools are getting better and better

      • CharmBOD

        Dude, if you’re playing your own ideas live, then you are not a DJ, you’re a digital performer.
        DJ = Disc Jockey, i believe everyone needs to get off of this ‘what is a real DJ’ bollocks, if you want to get pedantic about it, there is almost no such thing any more.
        And all you CDJ/CD guys out there that think that by using a CD that somehow you’re manipulating a disc, just like vinyl, you’re delusional, you’re still just manipulating a digital file buffered into a system just like someone that uses mp3s and a digital controller.
        By the way Frank none of that rant was aimed at you just ‘DJs’ in general.

        • Frank

          Never liked jogwheels,need to feel the time flowing under my fingertips but when playing out but I was just trying to advocate the sync button and the ocean of creative possibilities behind it…

    • It’s true. Real DJs use USB controllers and never touch turntables. So your objection – 100% logical.

      • Indeed, it is known that DJ stands for dumb jackass. Better be real then

  • Manoo Bahar

    pretty dumb article of an guy who dont know what a jog wheel and pitch sliders means to real djs….

    • What’s a real dj? I started DJing on technics and a Xone 62. There was no sync, no jogwheels. We bought these big round things called records. I currently own technics and a xone 92 with 2 x1 Mk2s. I don’t use timecode, the technics are for mixng real records which i still like to buy.

      But when im mixing digitally, i dont want any jogwheels. They don’t mean anything to me. I owned an s4 previously and never touched them. Thats how i do things, doesnt make me less real than you. Ive been djing for a long time.
      Ive also been reading this site for a long time and Peter Kirn is as ‘real’ as they get.

      • manoob1

        Replacing 2 of the most creative parts of djing with screens you already had on you computer…pretty dumb. In your case not using jog wheels and pitch .. e very one to their taste but hey there are stuff you can only do with those except scratching since you don’t know what they are.. well not a dj I would go to watch. And that defines real dj from wannabees…

    • Frank

      Really? You think these 2 things define the DJ art? Oh boy
      The real DJ’s want’s to play their own ideas live and the tools are getting better and better

      • CharmBOD

        Dude, if you’re playing your own ideas live, then you are not a DJ, you’re a digital performer.
        DJ = Disc Jockey, i believe everyone needs to get off of this ‘what is a real DJ’ bollocks, if you want to get pedantic about it, there is almost no such thing any more.
        And all you CDJ/CD guys out there that think that by using a CD that somehow you’re manipulating a disc, just like vinyl, you’re delusional, you’re still just manipulating a digital file buffered into a system just like someone that uses mp3s and a digital controller.
        By the way Frank none of that rant was aimed at you just ‘DJs’ in general.

        • Frank

          Never liked jogwheels,need to feel the time flowing under my fingertips but when playing out but I was just trying to advocate the sync button and the ocean of creative possibilities behind it…

    • It’s true. Real DJs use USB controllers and never touch turntables. So your objection – 100% logical.

      • Indeed, it is known that DJ stands for dumb jackass. Better be real then

  • Manoo Bahar

    pretty dumb article of an guy who dont know what a jog wheel and pitch sliders means to real djs….

    • What’s a real dj? I started DJing on technics and a Xone 62. There was no sync, no jogwheels. We bought these big round things called records. I currently own technics and a xone 92 with 2 x1 Mk2s. I don’t use timecode, the technics are for mixng real records which i still like to buy.

      But when im mixing digitally, i dont want any jogwheels. They don’t mean anything to me. I owned an s4 previously and never touched them. Thats how i do things, doesnt make me less real than you. Ive been djing for a long time.
      Ive also been reading this site for a long time and Peter Kirn is as ‘real’ as they get.

      • manoob1

        Replacing 2 of the most creative parts of djing with screens you already had on you computer…pretty dumb. In your case not using jog wheels and pitch .. e very one to their taste but hey there are stuff you can only do with those except scratching since you don’t know what they are.. well not a dj I would go to watch. And that defines real dj from wannabees…

    • Frank

      Really? You think these 2 things define the DJ art? Oh boy
      The real DJ’s want’s to play their own ideas live and the tools are getting better and better

      • CharmBOD

        Dude, if you’re playing your own ideas live, then you are not a DJ, you’re a digital performer.
        DJ = Disc Jockey, i believe everyone needs to get off of this ‘what is a real DJ’ bollocks, if you want to get pedantic about it, there is almost no such thing any more.
        And all you CDJ/CD guys out there that think that by using a CD that somehow you’re manipulating a disc, just like vinyl, you’re delusional, you’re still just manipulating a digital file buffered into a system just like someone that uses mp3s and a digital controller.
        By the way Frank none of that rant was aimed at you just ‘DJs’ in general.

        • Frank

          Never liked jogwheels,need to feel the time flowing under my fingertips but when playing out but I was just trying to advocate the sync button and the ocean of creative possibilities behind it…

    • It’s true. Real DJs use USB controllers and never touch turntables. So your objection – 100% logical.

      • Yanakyl

        Indeed, it is known that DJ stands for dumb jackass. Better be real then

  • Wally World Drop Out

    Lord Jesus and King Satan, please bring the day when “creating music” has nothing to do with who’s a “real dj” and Ean Golden is long forgotten forever and I own the Seattle Seahawks, and hype videos die, and Ibiza falls into the ocean, and what you’re playing someone else’s music on makes no difference because playing someone else’s music isn’t that great anyway, and techno sucks, and I drive a classic muscle car. Thanks guys! Looking forward to it.

    • This comment is … awesome.

      I don’t necessarily agree with all the assumptions it’s based on, but – respect.

      Although, while you’re wishing, why the Seahawks? 😉

      • Wally World Drop Out

        Hey you know, when I was a little squaw I just really liked their logo. I just really think owning an NFL team is a power move. I could roll up to the stadium, in my vintage muscle car, blasting some tunes made by someone who would punch you straight in the face, if you beat gridded their song. And I could wink at chicks right before I peel out into the distances. Hell, it sure beats a guy in a euro track suit, rocking the same drum pattern for six hours, convinced he’s king midas’s shit!

  • Wally World Drop Out

    Lord Jesus and King Satan, please bring the day when “creating music” has nothing to do with who’s a “real dj” and Ean Golden is long forgotten forever and I own the Seattle Seahawks, and hype videos die, and Ibiza falls into the ocean, and what you’re playing someone else’s music on makes no difference because playing someone else’s music isn’t that great anyway, and techno sucks, and I drive a classic muscle car. Thanks guys! Looking forward to it.

    • This comment is … awesome.

      I don’t necessarily agree with all the assumptions it’s based on, but – respect.

      Although, while you’re wishing, why the Seahawks? 😉

      • Wally World Drop Out

        Hey you know, when I was a little squaw I just really liked their logo. I just really think owning an NFL team is a power move. I could roll up to the stadium, in my vintage muscle car, blasting some tunes made by someone who would punch you straight in the face, if you beat gridded their song. And I could wink at chicks right before I peel out into the distances. Hell, it sure beats a guy in a euro track suit, rocking the same drum pattern for six hours, convinced he’s king midas’s shit!

  • Wally World Drop Out

    Lord Jesus and King Satan, please bring the day when “creating music” has nothing to do with who’s a “real dj” and Ean Golden is long forgotten forever and I own the Seattle Seahawks, and hype videos die, and Ibiza falls into the ocean, and what you’re playing someone else’s music on makes no difference because playing someone else’s music isn’t that great anyway, and techno sucks, and I drive a classic muscle car. Thanks guys! Looking forward to it.

    • This comment is … awesome.

      I don’t necessarily agree with all the assumptions it’s based on, but – respect.

      Although, while you’re wishing, why the Seahawks? 😉

      • Wally World Drop Out

        Hey you know, when I was a little squaw I just really liked their logo. I just really think owning an NFL team is a power move. I could roll up to the stadium, in my vintage muscle car, blasting some tunes made by someone who would punch you straight in the face, if you beat gridded their song. And I could wink at chicks right before I peel out into the distances. Hell, it sure beats a guy in a euro track suit, rocking the same drum pattern for six hours, convinced he’s king midas’s shit!

  • Two Many Chemical Fatboys

    As a S4/F1 user already I am more excited about the software evolution this will bring with it. You can see the inclusion of a freeze button which suggests we will see some of the features from TRAKTOR DJ for making it into the full version. Personally can’t live without the jog wheels and pitch faders as I still like to manually beat match, scratch a bit but most importantly still play a lot of classic soul, funk etc which requires constant nudging to keep in phase…dont know how I would manage that with a strip control!

  • Two Many Chemical Fatboys

    As a S4/F1 user already I am more excited about the software evolution this will bring with it. You can see the inclusion of a freeze button which suggests we will see some of the features from TRAKTOR DJ for making it into the full version. Personally can’t live without the jog wheels and pitch faders as I still like to manually beat match, scratch a bit but most importantly still play a lot of classic soul, funk etc which requires constant nudging to keep in phase…dont know how I would manage that with a strip control!

  • Two Many Chemical Fatboys

    As a S4/F1 user already I am more excited about the software evolution this will bring with it. You can see the inclusion of a freeze button which suggests we will see some of the features from TRAKTOR DJ for making it into the full version. Personally can’t live without the jog wheels and pitch faders as I still like to manually beat match, scratch a bit but most importantly still play a lot of classic soul, funk etc which requires constant nudging to keep in phase…dont know how I would manage that with a strip control!

  • picatchi

    after watching the promo-vid, i hate those people even more

    • Wait until you see the slow-motion film CDM is releasing about our last party.

      Bikinis, cocktails, and live coding granular synths. Yeah, baby!

  • picatchi

    after watching the promo-vid, i hate those people even more

    • Wait until you see the slow-motion film CDM is releasing about our last party.

      Bikinis, cocktails, and live coding granular synths. Yeah, baby!

  • picatchi

    after watching the promo-vid, i hate those people even more

    • Wait until you see the slow-motion film CDM is releasing about our last party.

      Bikinis, cocktails, and live coding granular synths. Yeah, baby!

  • sarbel

    Just noticed the S8 has a touch sensitive pad under the coloured drum pads. It would work the same as a jog wheel without the jog wheel feel.. and all movements tho will be in the horizontal way.. –‘

  • sarbel

    Just noticed the S8 has a touch sensitive pad under the coloured drum pads. It would work the same as a jog wheel without the jog wheel feel.. and all movements tho will be in the horizontal way.. –‘

  • sarbel

    Just noticed the S8 has a touch sensitive pad under the coloured drum pads. It would work the same as a jog wheel without the jog wheel feel.. and all movements tho will be in the horizontal way.. –‘

  • 4shure
    • Sin Sentido Comun

      I agree with SV, so when i feel like really beatmatching and mixing tracks b2b is going turntables and 2 channel mixer. But sometimes I don’t want to do that kind of djing and then the new stuff is welcome as the S8, the middle ground (all other controllers with jogs) are a waste IMHO.

  • 4shure
    • Sin Sentido Comun

      I agree with SV, so when i feel like really beatmatching and mixing tracks b2b is going turntables and 2 channel mixer. But sometimes I don’t want to do that kind of djing and then the new stuff is welcome as the S8, the middle ground (all other controllers with jogs) are a waste IMHO.

  • 4shure
    • Sin Sentido Comun

      I agree with SV, so when i feel like really beatmatching and mixing tracks b2b is going turntables and 2 channel mixer. But sometimes I don’t want to do that kind of djing and then the new stuff is welcome as the S8, the middle ground (all other controllers with jogs) are a waste IMHO.

  • Sugestions

    Still no kills just add a kill nexto hi mid and low tired of having to have to custom map it relly now. And how about a sub slot for a hard drive full of music so we don’t need to carry laptops around… Infact why not put a hard drive into it allready like a 2TB that we can add all our library’s too before we go to a party then basicly power it hook it up to the main output and mix no extra rubbish to worry about with a battery backup memory of where we left off come on iPads are going to take over the mixing world if you don’t do more combining of everything into one device…

  • Sugestions

    Still no kills just add a kill nexto hi mid and low tired of having to have to custom map it relly now. And how about a sub slot for a hard drive full of music so we don’t need to carry laptops around… Infact why not put a hard drive into it allready like a 2TB that we can add all our library’s too before we go to a party then basicly power it hook it up to the main output and mix no extra rubbish to worry about with a battery backup memory of where we left off come on iPads are going to take over the mixing world if you don’t do more combining of everything into one device…

  • Sugestions

    Still no kills just add a kill nexto hi mid and low tired of having to have to custom map it relly now. And how about a sub slot for a hard drive full of music so we don’t need to carry laptops around… Infact why not put a hard drive into it allready like a 2TB that we can add all our library’s too before we go to a party then basicly power it hook it up to the main output and mix no extra rubbish to worry about with a battery backup memory of where we left off come on iPads are going to take over the mixing world if you don’t do more combining of everything into one device…

  • The future of sound, will it still be pressure fluctuations?

    This thing look nice, so nice that I don’t want to touch it. Plus I’m sure it can play music on it’s own while doing an amazing light show… ok I’ll shut up

  • The future of sound, will it still be pressure fluctuations?

    This thing look nice, so nice that I don’t want to touch it. Plus I’m sure it can play music on it’s own while doing an amazing light show… ok I’ll shut up

  • Yanakyl

    The future of sound, will it still be pressure fluctuations?

    This thing look nice, so nice that I don’t want to touch it. Plus I’m sure it can play music on it’s own while doing an amazing light show… ok I’ll shut up

  • unsaame

    These videos are so naff.
    Anyway, coming back to the displays which allow you not to stare at your computer screen: who cares what you are looking at when you DJ? Surely what’s important is what you play, isn’t it?

  • unsaame

    These videos are so naff.
    Anyway, coming back to the displays which allow you not to stare at your computer screen: who cares what you are looking at when you DJ? Surely what’s important is what you play, isn’t it?

  • unsaame

    These videos are so naff.
    Anyway, coming back to the displays which allow you not to stare at your computer screen: who cares what you are looking at when you DJ? Surely what’s important is what you play, isn’t it?

  • Claudio Branno

    What is sad is the image that they are actually selling that is wrong and not really appealing. In the sense that in the video there is a roaster of artists who’ll never use that machine. Why? Because is big, has a bunch of controls that very few people will ever use, and I don’t really see Davide Squillace Djing at DC10 with this S8 thing (I don’t think it would fit in the dj booth – or any Dj booth). For the money they will sell it (it will probably be around 1000 euros or more), I’d rather buy a synth (i.e. an elektron box), so to be original and be able to perform live. I understand it’s a different take, but let’s be serious, all this digital djing has made possible that a lot of not really skilled people have access to dj booth, and maybe, pushing forward live sets rather than djing, would be really a great thing for the entire movement…

  • Claudio Branno

    What is sad is the image that they are actually selling that is wrong and not really appealing. In the sense that in the video there is a roaster of artists who’ll never use that machine. Why? Because is big, has a bunch of controls that very few people will ever use, and I don’t really see Davide Squillace Djing at DC10 with this S8 thing (I don’t think it would fit in the dj booth – or any Dj booth). For the money they will sell it (it will probably be around 1000 euros or more), I’d rather buy a synth (i.e. an elektron box), so to be original and be able to perform live. I understand it’s a different take, but let’s be serious, all this digital djing has made possible that a lot of not really skilled people have access to dj booth, and maybe, pushing forward live sets rather than djing, would be really a great thing for the entire movement…

  • Claudio Branno

    What is sad is the image that they are actually selling that is wrong and not really appealing. In the sense that in the video there is a roaster of artists who’ll never use that machine. Why? Because is big, has a bunch of controls that very few people will ever use, and I don’t really see Davide Squillace Djing at DC10 with this S8 thing (I don’t think it would fit in the dj booth – or any Dj booth). For the money they will sell it (it will probably be around 1000 euros or more), I’d rather buy a synth (i.e. an elektron box), so to be original and be able to perform live. I understand it’s a different take, but let’s be serious, all this digital djing has made possible that a lot of not really skilled people have access to dj booth, and maybe, pushing forward live sets rather than djing, would be really a great thing for the entire movement…

  • André et Michèle

    Still think something like this should have enough controls access to all 4 efx slots at once . . . Been mixing w/o jog wheels since I started w/ Traktor on a UC33 (now Livid Cntrlr) — before NI had any control hardware — gives access to 4 channels and 4 efx at any time, and with some pitch bend buttons and pitch fader via shift I can still mix manually if I like/need. Would be great if this had Traktor running on-board (no laptop at all)! Agree that I’m not sure who the target user really is: looks overkill for beginners but not sure seasoned users will make the jump?

  • André et Michèle

    Still think something like this should have enough controls access to all 4 efx slots at once . . . Been mixing w/o jog wheels since I started w/ Traktor on a UC33 (now Livid Cntrlr) — before NI had any control hardware — gives access to 4 channels and 4 efx at any time, and with some pitch bend buttons and pitch fader via shift I can still mix manually if I like/need. Would be great if this had Traktor running on-board (no laptop at all)! Agree that I’m not sure who the target user really is: looks overkill for beginners but not sure seasoned users will make the jump?

  • André et Michèle

    Still think something like this should have enough controls access to all 4 efx slots at once . . . Been mixing w/o jog wheels since I started w/ Traktor on a UC33 (now Livid Cntrlr) — before NI had any control hardware — gives access to 4 channels and 4 efx at any time, and with some pitch bend buttons and pitch fader via shift I can still mix manually if I like/need. Would be great if this had Traktor running on-board (no laptop at all)! Agree that I’m not sure who the target user really is: looks overkill for beginners but not sure seasoned users will make the jump?

  • newnumbertwo

    I’ve been using the S4 for 3 years now, and I can count on two hands the number of times I used the jog wheel and pitch faders. If I wasn’t using vinyl control, I was using beat sync, so I don’t think I’ll miss it.

    What I love about this update are, duh, the displays. Personally I always found having a laptop screen in between myself and the crowd to be less than ideal and the biggest drawback to the “convenience” of digital DJing. I also noticed that the S8 appears to have 4 sets of inputs and switches for thru mode, which suggests it might work as a standalone mixer with no computer attached (fingers crossed). The dedicated filter buttons are also pretty nifty, and the FX button layout in general appears to be more intuitive than it is now.

    In the cons dept., the crossfader seems to have an abnormally short throw. Also, given the limited utility I’ve gotten from the F1 and remix decks in general, giving them so much emphasis, especially at the cost of removing the pitch fader/jogwheels, which I know got lots of use by other S4 users, seems unwise – but perhaps we’ll see improvements in functionality and/or better reasons to use them.

    I’d like to see more information on I/O. I haven’t seen a back panel shot yet.

  • newnumbertwo

    I’ve been using the S4 for 3 years now, and I can count on two hands the number of times I used the jog wheel and pitch faders. If I wasn’t using vinyl control, I was using beat sync, so I don’t think I’ll miss it.

    What I love about this update are, duh, the displays. Personally I always found having a laptop screen in between myself and the crowd to be less than ideal and the biggest drawback to the “convenience” of digital DJing. I also noticed that the S8 appears to have 4 sets of inputs and switches for thru mode, which suggests it might work as a standalone mixer with no computer attached (fingers crossed). The dedicated filter buttons are also pretty nifty, and the FX button layout in general appears to be more intuitive than it is now.

    In the cons dept., the crossfader seems to have an abnormally short throw, but that might just be the mockup. Also, given the limited utility I’ve gotten from the F1 and remix decks in general, giving them so much emphasis, especially at the cost of removing the pitch fader/jogwheels, which I know got lots of use by other S4 users, seems unwise – but perhaps we’ll see improvements in functionality and/or better reasons to use them.

    I’d like to see more information on I/O. I haven’t seen a back panel shot yet.

  • newnumbertwo

    I’ve been using the S4 for 3 years now, and I can count on two hands the number of times I used the jog wheel and pitch faders. If I wasn’t using vinyl control, I was using beat sync, so I don’t think I’ll miss it.

    What I love about this update are, duh, the displays. Personally I always found having a laptop screen in between myself and the crowd to be less than ideal and the biggest drawback to the “convenience” of digital DJing. I also noticed that the S8 appears to have 4 sets of inputs and switches for thru mode, which suggests it might work as a standalone mixer with no computer attached (fingers crossed). The dedicated filter buttons are also pretty nifty, and the FX button layout in general appears to be more intuitive than it is now.

    In the cons dept., the crossfader seems to have an abnormally short throw, but that might just be the mockup. Also, given the limited utility I’ve gotten from the F1 and remix decks in general, giving them so much emphasis, especially at the cost of removing the pitch fader/jogwheels, which I know got lots of use by other S4 users, seems unwise – but perhaps we’ll see improvements in functionality and/or better reasons to use them.

    I’d like to see more information on I/O. I haven’t seen a back panel shot yet.

  • Griff

    Isn’t a real DJ someone who makes people dance by playing music? That said I’m struggling to define an unreal DJ. Maybe that will come with the Traktor You’re-Redundant?

  • Griff

    Isn’t a real DJ someone who makes people dance by playing music? That said I’m struggling to define an unreal DJ. Maybe that will come with the Traktor You’re-Redundant?

  • Griff

    Isn’t a real DJ someone who makes people dance by playing music? That said I’m struggling to define an unreal DJ. Maybe that will come with the Traktor You’re-Redundant?

  • Octavio

    I think this is clearly oriented to the future techno djs….

    As you can see in shows like Luciano, Richie Hawtin, Ean golden (recently playing at ibiza in Enter), Chris Liebing, Dubfire, and Magda and basicly most of the big techno/minimal/deep house acts, are goin in this direction, no jog wheels, only buttons, 4channel sessions, with samples, step sequencer and other things.

    a product like this implies some kind of change in the industry, where aparently jogwheels on controller seems to be a little bit useless. and replace them with a pitchbend button sound more logical to give room to 8 pads for some kind of mangle/sample trickery.

    turntables and cdjs are goin to be the kings forever, but that doesnt mean that djing it is only put a record, press play, prepare the next one, mix it and repeat. right now you can do other awesome stuff with no turntables and just some controllers and buttons.

  • Octavio

    I think this is clearly oriented to the future techno djs….

    As you can see in shows like Luciano, Richie Hawtin, Ean golden (recently playing at ibiza in Enter), Chris Liebing, Dubfire, and Magda and basicly most of the big techno/minimal/deep house acts, are goin in this direction, no jog wheels, only buttons, 4channel sessions, with samples, step sequencer and other things.

    a product like this implies some kind of change in the industry, where aparently jogwheels on controller seems to be a little bit useless. and replace them with a pitchbend button sound more logical to give room to 8 pads for some kind of mangle/sample trickery.

    turntables and cdjs are goin to be the kings forever, but that doesnt mean that djing it is only put a record, press play, prepare the next one, mix it and repeat. right now you can do other awesome stuff with no turntables and just some controllers and buttons.

  • Octavio

    I think this is clearly oriented to the future techno djs….

    As you can see in shows like Luciano, Richie Hawtin, Ean golden (recently playing at ibiza in Enter), Chris Liebing, Dubfire, and Magda and basicly most of the big techno/minimal/deep house acts, are goin in this direction, no jog wheels, only buttons, 4channel sessions, with samples, step sequencer and other things.

    a product like this implies some kind of change in the industry, where aparently jogwheels on controller seems to be a little bit useless. and replace them with a pitchbend button sound more logical to give room to 8 pads for some kind of mangle/sample trickery.

    turntables and cdjs are goin to be the kings forever, but that doesnt mean that djing it is only put a record, press play, prepare the next one, mix it and repeat. right now you can do other awesome stuff with no turntables and just some controllers and buttons.

  • MrBim

    i think the most exciting thing about this is the potential to send info relating to the playing track to hardware. can we get track names and play positions in to touch osc etc….

  • MrBim

    i think the most exciting thing about this is the potential to send info relating to the playing track to hardware. can we get track names and play positions in to touch osc etc….

  • MrBim

    i think the most exciting thing about this is the potential to send info relating to the playing track to hardware. can we get track names and play positions in to touch osc etc….

  • rodrigo

    So much BS about who plays who, who plays what, what kind of gear, it has this, it has that…..if you like to play in Contoller just use the damn controller, if you like to play CDJs, use them, same with turntables….so much none sense in this forums…They make them for the people who wants them period. If i drive a VW, I don’t go cursing other brands, ohhhh, BMW has this same car but it costs more…ohhhh I have this KIA a lot cheaper but doesn’t have this or that….common people…..this is for the person who wants it…if you don’t like, why you’re here???? just go to Pioneer, or Technics….The only think and I think is the most important is WHERE IS THE PITCH on the S8????

  • rodrigo

    So much BS about who plays who, who plays what, what kind of gear, it has this, it has that…..if you like to play in Contoller just use the damn controller, if you like to play CDJs, use them, same with turntables….so much none sense in this forums…They make them for the people who wants them period. If i drive a VW, I don’t go cursing other brands, ohhhh, BMW has this same car but it costs more…ohhhh I have this KIA a lot cheaper but doesn’t have this or that….common people…..this is for the person who wants it…if you don’t like, why you’re here???? just go to Pioneer, or Technics….The only think and I think is the most important is WHERE IS THE PITCH on the S8????

  • rodrigo

    So much BS about who plays who, who plays what, what kind of gear, it has this, it has that…..if you like to play in Contoller just use the damn controller, if you like to play CDJs, use them, same with turntables….so much none sense in this forums…They make them for the people who wants them period. If i drive a VW, I don’t go cursing other brands, ohhhh, BMW has this same car but it costs more…ohhhh I have this KIA a lot cheaper but doesn’t have this or that….common people…..this is for the person who wants it…if you don’t like, why you’re here???? just go to Pioneer, or Technics….The only think and I think is the most important is WHERE IS THE PITCH on the S8????

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  • manoob1

    Taking your eyes off laptop? Do you stare all night at the laptop screen?
    Anyway it fails to do that as it is missing some key features (like searching for a track)on screen and the screen was a little to small..
    as for mixing without sync (older music? ).:it’s pretty useless on that on its own…
    What I didn’t like most some functions you have to do 2-3 actions. Like track tempo change.. that’s like moving backwards when you use pitch faders

  • manoob1

    Taking your eyes off laptop? Do you stare all night at the laptop screen?
    Anyway it fails to do that as it is missing some key features (like searching for a track)on screen and the screen was a little to small..
    as for mixing without sync (older music? ).:it’s pretty useless on that on its own…
    What I didn’t like most some functions you have to do 2-3 actions. Like track tempo change.. that’s like moving backwards when you use pitch faders

  • manoob1

    Taking your eyes off laptop? Do you stare all night at the laptop screen?
    Anyway it fails to do that as it is missing some key features (like searching for a track)on screen and the screen was a little to small..
    as for mixing without sync (older music? ).:it’s pretty useless on that on its own…
    What I didn’t like most some functions you have to do 2-3 actions. Like track tempo change.. that’s like moving backwards when you use pitch faders

  • CharmBOD

    i actually now own one of these and had to hook up another controller to get better access to the pitch control, but don’t mind the nudge strip. i can also tell you, as someone who likes/prefers to mix manually, this is a seriously ground breaking piece of kit. if i want to play my own stuff i use ableton, 3 launchpads and a launch control, for other peoples, i use the totally awesome S8. it allows djs to be actually creative cause lets face it making 2 tunes run at the same speed and letting both come through the speakers, isnt really creative. and ive been watching and known many many djs for pushing 30 years and that is all they have ever done, if they can manage even that. so shove your 19th century tech up your arse. digital and for now, the S8 are the future so get with the program!

  • CharmBOD

    i actually now own one of these and had to hook up another controller to get better access to the pitch control, but don’t mind the nudge strip. i can also tell you, as someone who likes/prefers to mix manually, this is a seriously ground breaking piece of kit. if i want to play my own stuff i use ableton, 3 launchpads and a launch control, for other peoples, i use the totally awesome S8. it allows djs to be actually creative cause lets face it making 2 tunes run at the same speed and letting both come through the speakers, isnt really creative. and ive been watching and known many many djs for pushing 30 years and that is all they have ever done, if they can manage even that. so shove your 19th century tech up your arse. digital and for now, the S8 are the future so get with the program!

  • CharmBOD

    i actually now own one of these and had to hook up another controller to get better access to the pitch control, but don’t mind the nudge strip. i can also tell you, as someone who likes/prefers to mix manually, this is a seriously ground breaking piece of kit. if i want to play my own stuff i use ableton, 3 launchpads and a launch control, for other peoples, i use the totally awesome S8. it allows djs to be actually creative cause lets face it making 2 tunes run at the same speed and letting both come through the speakers, isnt really creative. and ive been watching and known many many djs for pushing 30 years and that is all they have ever done, if they can manage even that. so shove your 19th century tech up your arse. digital and for now, the S8 are the future so get with the program!