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With version number 10.1, the Logic Pro release out right now sounds like a “yawn, move along” bump. But there’s actually a big story here. Half that story is about making electronic beats. The other half, and maybe the more important half, is about editing. But let me explain.

Even with a steady stream of updates, I’m not convinced Logic Pro X has entirely shaken concerns from some hard-core producers about serious editing – whether they’re being fair or not. Something about all the cute graphics and loop browsing and GarageBand and iPad and iPhone seems to make them, well, nervous. It means they don’t always believe that word “Pro” attached to the name.

So, let me take you back to a time before Apple, when they felt differently. Remember when more people knew the acronym “IDM” than “EDM,” when the people building Logic were all still in gray, wet Hamburg, Germany instead of Cupertino, California?

In those days, the idea of Logic as a hard-core electronic music workstation was actually kind of a default. Sure, studio producers used Pro Tools, film composers used Digital Performer. But dance music was a rivalry between Logic and Cubase, as fierce as Hamburg SV versus St. Pauli.

Well, then Ableton Live and the American dance music boom happened, of course. But it’s still a Logic and Cubase battle. The difference is, now Logic seems to have a release that doesn’t seem to be trying to pander to guitarists or first-time producers or GarageBand updaters. They are, as always, implying you might use Logic to do the kind of studio work often associated in this industry with something rhyming with Mavid Glow Rules. But – heck, you might make some techno with it. Sorry, make that “EDM.”

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Drum Machine Designer

The banner dance music feature here is a set of electronic drum production tools parallel to the assistants we’ve seen elsewhere in the program.

Drummer, initially touted as a way to make something sounding like a rock record happen automatically, now understands club music. There are styles like Techno and House, and yes, “Dubstep” and “Trap.” Like the rock drum pattern generation tools, Drum Machine Designer dynamically creates grooves, fills, and the like, which you can control via both Logic-supplied and user-generated parameter controls. Then, you can either use the pattern as-is, or convert them to a MIDI region for editing.

Under the hood, Logic is making drum sounds in the preset content the way it has for years – with the Ultrabeat synth/drum machine and EXS24 sampler. But this apparently isn’t just a bunch of pattern presets atop the old sounds. It’s more a way to get things rolling, or sketch ideas quickly, then get as detail-oriented and original as you want to finish your track. The sound synthesis tools (EXS and Ultrabeat) are the same, but on top of them is Logic Pro X’s new patch and Smart Controls, plus hundreds of new kit pieces for those engines.

It’s also possible to transform the sounds. You can mix and match patches from different kits, for instance. Also, if you prefer to use your own sounds – say, a drum synth – you can assign third-party plug-ins as well. The patterns and parts are routed to Track Stacks for sound generation, which you could assign to a plug-in or MIDI out to an iPad or whatever you desire.

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This is of course really relevant to people who are Logic heads, because it means you can do all your production and pattern making without leaving Logic’s familiar track and arrangement workflow.

Whether this is useful to you or not depends on whether this sparks your creativity, but it could be worth a look. I’m going to try making some tracks this way soon.

Piano Roll Editing is Radically Improved

Finally. Even in 2015, MIDI editing is just a whole lot of what we do. But as Apple has gradually worked through the rest of Logic, brushing off dust and reworking tools, MIDI editing looks more or less like it always has. And other competitors (Cakewalk and Steinberg, for instance) haven’t stood still.

Well, finally we get something that might be worth the wait.

Brush Tool + Drum Names + Collapse View

Brush Tool lets you use a single mouse gesture to make a sequence of notes. Drag across, and you can turn notes on – or turn them off. You set the rate (via a menu or key command), and even the quantization of the scale, and wherever you drag, you get notes. You can also right-click and turn selected notes into the active pattern for the brush.

In other words, this is, on one hand, the most powerful Black MIDI creating tool ever conceived. It is, on the other, probably useful for anyone who edits using a mouse, ever, and some who will now start.

(Cough, Hamburg – erm, Cupertino calling Berlin – this makes both Live and Maschine look comparatively stupid.)

Note Repeat, Spot Erase. Speaking of drum machines, you may not miss them when working in your DAW. You get Note Repeat and Spot Erase for real-time entry – without having to bring up dedicated drum machine software.

See Drum Sounds Names, Drag Time Handles. File this under: things you miss from other tools. Seeing the names of actual drum sounds rather than MIDI notes is something you’re familiar with if you work with Ableton Live, but now you can do it in Logic. And time handles – letting you manipulate notes’ time more easily – is something Logic was sorely lacking but has evidently added. That implementation now lets you compress or expand the selection of notes, to quickly do half, double time, triplet, or any arbitrary time expansion/compression of the MIDI performance. Changing the position of the handles also allows for reversing the order of select notes.

Quantize works the way you think. Okay, you know how this goes: the moment you quantize a live performance, you destroy everything. Smart Quantize proportionally corrects timing and length based on some intelligent identification of both rhythmic content and velocity (more heavily weighting louder notes – the important stuff, that isn’t flams or mistakes). Sounds great; can’t wait to try it.

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A better Compressor. Retina interface, plus a view that lets you monitor historical levels instead of looking at VUs. And a new Classic VCA compressor model (curious how that sounds, as I had mostly stopped using Logic’s compressor).

Here’s the more traditional Classic VCA UI:

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Retro Synth with wavetable features. Ah, now this is cool: drag and drop audio and Retro Synth creates wavetables. That alone is reason to fire up Logic if you haven’t lately. You can also stack up eight voices.

New sounds. So, Apple has done a lot with their audio content and in particular has built on top of engines like EXS to provide more sophisticated presets that use various Logic features. This content uses a combination of Patches, Track Stacks, MIDI Plug-Ins, and Smart Controls to create more dynamic, layered presets. There are hundreds of new patches to take advantage of that, with 200 synth patches and 10 (interestingly enough) Mellotron instruments. (Wonder whose pet project that was?)

Region Based Automation

Automation by region. Automate effects creatively on a region and not just a track – that’s huge as a tool if you use effects heavily in sound design.

(See above! Yes! Okay, only a few people shout for this sort of thing, but – let’s shout together, you and the three other of us!)

Relative and Trim Automation. Ugh. Finally. I’d explain this, but those of you who are used to mixing this way are already sold.

Plug-in organization! Yes! Sorry, I got excited.

Wouldn’t it be great if Logic didn’t just dump your entire Audio Unit plug-in library into a menu you can’t navigate? Fixed. Organize it like you like.

Wouldn’t it be great if you could also reorder and enable/disable plug-ins from the iPad? Fixed. (You can also get into parameters, but we’ll see how useful that is in practice – testing.)

Multi-touch EQ support from the iPad. No brainer. Finally. (Actually, didn’t I beg them for this in the review? Probably me and everyone else who picked up the iPad app!)

And more:

• Manage large-scale mixes more easily with the addition of console-style VCA faders
• Mixer now allows remote control of microphone and other input settings for compatible audio interfaces
• Realtime rendering of fades allow them to work with Flex Pitch and speeds up project load times
• Support for Mail Drop and Air Drop in OS X Yosemite makes it even easier to share your Logic projects

And of course MainStage (the live app) and Logic Remote (the iPad control app) get parallel updates.

It’s all free; it’s all now on the App Store. Have at it, Logic users.

I’ll review relevant functionality as far as drum tracks, and introduce you to the Logic production that will make me headline in Las Vegas (just kidding) soon.

Updated: version requirements, changelog

Logic 10.1 requires OS X 10.9 (Mavericks) or greater. Par for the course with Apple. But this means it will appear as an “incompatible update” if you’re running 10.8. (Though, frankly, if you’re running 10.8 happily I think 10.10 will treat you just fine. And if you want more OS backwards compatibility, maybe you don’t want Logic.)

And the change:
Logic 10.1 Release Notes [Apple Support]

AUganizer

Various complaints from people who bought the Mac utility AUganizer to perform the AU organizing functions now baked into Logic. However, there are reasons not to sweat this – like support for hosts other than Logic and OS support prior to 10.9.

And the whole utility has loads of other features: Cover Flow previews, backup, sharing lists with other users, working with changes and updates, and so on. I just wish it supported VSTs and had more robust support for some other hosts. (Ableton? Cubase?)

In fact, I suspect someone out there (like me, for instance) may wind up discovering this utility because of the present discussion.

http://www.auganizer.com/

  • J_

    i’m getting insane cpu use of logic x + 9 in yosemite and in the process of reverting to 10.9…

    anyone that’s also had this issue notice if it was fixed in the update?

    • Not able to reproduce that here, unfortunately – let me know if you find out why. There are a lot of fixes in 10.1, as well. (And I was using Logic all day — pre-10.1 — to finish up sound samples for the Teenage Engineering stuff!)

  • Yeah! Can’t wait for it to land in the CH MAS! 🙂

  • J_

    i’m getting insane cpu use of logic x + 9 in yosemite and in the process of reverting to 10.9…

    anyone that’s also had this issue notice if it was fixed in the update?

    • Not able to reproduce that here, unfortunately – let me know if you find out why. There are a lot of fixes in 10.1, as well. (And I was using Logic all day — pre-10.1 — to finish up sound samples for the Teenage Engineering stuff!)

  • Yeah! Can’t wait for it to land in the CH MAS! 🙂

  • Nikolozi

    Did Apple pull the update from the App Store?`

    • haszari

      Agreed!!

    • I wondered this, and then discovered it hidden in ‘incompatible updates’: Logic 10.1 is now only compatible with OSX 10.9+ . Given I’m running on 10.8: hnnnggg.

      • Nikolozi

        I’m on 10.10… so it eventually updated. But yeah, I’ve noticed that with logic updates. They only support current OS X version and the one before it.

        • Clif Marsiglio

          The last two updates were like this. My Hackintosh is always at least one OS behind (it sits next two a G5 / G4 and my monitor is on a stack of books including an older MacBook so I’ve paid my dues…I just wanted something with internal expansion).

          Pretty much, I download Logic on my MacBook and move it to the DAW machine. And it works perfectly. I haven’t done it with this one (yet), but I have no doubt that it will work perfectly with no crashes.

  • Nikolozi

    Did Apple pull the update from the App Store?

    Update: It’s appearing and disappearing in my Mac App Store and not letting me update. It’s probably still propagating. Looks like I’ll have to wait a bit longer.

    But I’ll have to say this update made my morning. Automation by region has to be the new feature I’m most excited about. The way I like to work is that if there’s no region there shouldn’t be any event on the timeline. All events should belong to regions, whether it’s automation, MIDI or audio.

    Also, it’s good to hear compressor is finally going to support retina display and the gain reduction history display sounds great too. I guess Logic is still going down the skeuomorphic path. By the sounds of things the most other Logic built in plug-ins are still non-retina. Ah well, at least we know Apple is updating them one by one.

    And, I’m looking forward to trying out the new piano roll features.

    • Agreed!!

    • I wondered this, and then discovered it hidden in ‘incompatible updates’: Logic 10.1 is now only compatible with OSX 10.9+ . Given I’m running on 10.8: hnnnggg.

      • Nikolozi

        I’m on 10.10… so it eventually updated. But yeah, I’ve noticed that with logic updates. They only support current OS X version and the one before it.

        • Clif Marsiglio

          The last two updates were like this. My Hackintosh is always at least one OS behind (it sits next two a G5 / G4 and my monitor is on a stack of books including an older MacBook so I’ve paid my dues…I just wanted something with internal expansion).

          Pretty much, I download Logic on my MacBook and move it to the DAW machine. And it works perfectly. I haven’t done it with this one (yet), but I have no doubt that it will work perfectly with no crashes.

  • pinta_vodki

    Automation by region, hell yes! I almost never use it because of the cumbersome way it’s implemented in Logic.

    Other than that, I absolutely LOVE Logic Pro X. I use it almost exclusively and it is so good. Can’t understand all those “Apple abandoned pro users” type folks.

  • pinta_vodki

    Automation by region, hell yes! I almost never use it because of the cumbersome way it’s implemented in Logic.

    Other than that, I absolutely LOVE Logic Pro X. I use it almost exclusively and it is so good. Can’t understand all those “Apple abandoned pro users” type folks.

  • doggie

    Logic is the most modern DAW today, I freaking love it. There are things they should update though, some of the software instrument guis are very old.

  • doggie

    Logic is the most modern DAW today, I freaking love it. There are things they should update though, some of the software instrument guis are very old.

  • Lutefiasco

    New mainstage 3.1 as well, with what looks like the redmatica auto sampler included?
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6789779

    • Ah – finally answering the question, what happened with Redmatica. Will review and follow up tomorrow.

      • Freeks

        No autosampler in LPX?

        • Yeah, I’ve been waiting for Redmatica to pop up in Logic for years. Either AutoSampler or EXS24MKIII with some sort of crazy EXS librarian features. Shocked to see MainStage get “AutoSampler” features and nothing in Logic. Oh well, maybe it’s coming in Logic Pro X 10.10.2?

          • totalpancake

            the autosampler is in MainStage’s plugin menu.

          • And MainStage’s plugin menu is where in Logic Pro X? 😀 Short answer: MainStage has AutoSampler, Logic Pro X does not have AutoSampler.

          • rgb

            While I’m annoyed that AutoSampler is a MainStage plug in only that is only a $30 purchase. That is still a lot less expensive than the $99 I paid for it years ago. Frustratingly I never got the email from Redmatica and as such wasn’t able to install it on a newer machine. That program has saved me a ton of time both in sampling and looping.

            Even before hearing the rumors that Apple purchased Camel Audio it felt an awful lot like they did. The abrupt notice, the fact that their main site is coming down.

          • rgb: I believe Redmatica released a universal installer without a need for there to be a registration code. And it does work on Yosemite. 🙂

            Fingers crossed that Apple will implement AutoSampler and.. Alchemy!? in LPX somehow. Some day. This year. Tomorrow. Preferably yesterday.

          • rgb

            True, they did release a universal installer, but if you didn’t get the email, then you didn’t know about it. I didn’t get the email despite having purchased the program a long time ago. I’m sure it was a mistake, but either way I wasn’t able to install it until I ‘found’ a version of it a couple of months ago.
            Either way, I’m glad it is now available again and that Apple didn’t just sit on the technology.

        • Yarrow

          What do you want to bet AutoSampler shows up in Logic same time we find out how Camel Alchemy is going to be integrated. Man oh man.

          • Camel Alchemy what? I’m aware of Camel Alchemy, but what is their relation with Apple currently?

          • Yarrow

            Camel suddenly ceased selling Alchemy recently, completely out of the blue, and with no explanation. Very strange for a company so beloved by its customers (I am one). Chris Randall (Audio Damage) says Apple bought Alchemy for a 10-figure sum. I personally am staying hopeful that this will be good in the end for those of us who use both Logic Pro X and Alchemy. Something like AutoSampler was one of the biggest things Alchemy needed to make it a much easier to use and therefor more powerful sample manipulation tool. Like I said, I’m optimistic 🙂

          • A… TEN-figure sum? as in, 1,234,567,890 as in, billions? Are you quite sure?

            I mean, sure, I wouldn’t mind getting Redmatica AutoSampler onto LPX and sure, if Camel Audio have been acquired by Apple, that’s interesting and surely a sign of good things to come.. Well, here’s to hoping. I’ll file this next to my other wish of a 4th gen Apple TV having a PicoProjector in it.

          • Yarrow

            oops I got that number -slightly- wrong. It was an 8-figure sum 😛 read the thread here. Note that as far as I know this is unconfirmed: https://mobile.twitter.com/chris_randall/status/554282254844059649

          • Thanks, Yarrow. I guess I’ll just sit down and wait and see. Really hoping MainStage is not the only app that gets the Auto Sampler.

  • Lutefiasco

    New mainstage 3.1 as well, with what looks like the redmatica auto sampler included?
    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6789779

    • Ah – finally answering the question, what happened with Redmatica. Will review and follow up tomorrow.

      • Freeks

        No autosampler in LPX?

        • Yeah, I’ve been waiting for Redmatica to pop up in Logic for years. Either AutoSampler or EXS24MKIII with some sort of crazy EXS librarian features. Shocked to see MainStage get “AutoSampler” features and nothing in Logic. Oh well, maybe it’s coming in Logic Pro X 10.10.2?

          • totalpancake

            the autosampler is in MainStage’s plugin menu.

          • And MainStage’s plugin menu is where in Logic Pro X? 😀 Short answer: MainStage has AutoSampler, Logic Pro X does not have AutoSampler.

          • rgb

            While I’m annoyed that AutoSampler is a MainStage plug in only that is only a $30 purchase. That is still a lot less expensive than the $99 I paid for it years ago. Frustratingly I never got the email from Redmatica and as such wasn’t able to install it on a newer machine. That program has saved me a ton of time both in sampling and looping.

            Even before hearing the rumors that Apple purchased Camel Audio it felt an awful lot like they did. The abrupt notice, the fact that their main site is coming down.

          • rgb: I believe Redmatica released a universal installer without a need for there to be a registration code. And it does work on Yosemite. 🙂

            Fingers crossed that Apple will implement AutoSampler and.. Alchemy!? in LPX somehow. Some day. This year. Tomorrow. Preferably yesterday.

          • rgb

            True, they did release a universal installer, but if you didn’t get the email, then you didn’t know about it. I didn’t get the email despite having purchased the program a long time ago. I’m sure it was a mistake, but either way I wasn’t able to install it until I ‘found’ a version of it a couple of months ago.
            Either way, I’m glad it is now available again and that Apple didn’t just sit on the technology.

        • Yarrow

          What do you want to bet AutoSampler shows up in Logic same time we find out how Camel Alchemy is going to be integrated. Man oh man.

          • Camel Alchemy what? I’m aware of Camel Alchemy, but what is their relation with Apple currently?

          • Yarrow

            Camel suddenly ceased selling Alchemy recently, completely out of the blue, and with no explanation. Very strange for a company so beloved by its customers (I am one). Chris Randall (Audio Damage) says Apple bought Alchemy for a 10-figure sum. I personally am staying hopeful that this will be good in the end for those of us who use both Logic Pro X and Alchemy. Something like AutoSampler was one of the biggest things Alchemy needed to make it a much easier to use and therefor more powerful sample manipulation tool. Like I said, I’m optimistic 🙂

          • A… TEN-figure sum? as in, 1,234,567,890 as in, billions? Are you quite sure?

            I mean, sure, I wouldn’t mind getting Redmatica AutoSampler onto LPX and sure, if Camel Audio have been acquired by Apple, that’s interesting and surely a sign of good things to come.. Well, here’s to hoping. I’ll file this next to my other wish of a 4th gen Apple TV having a PicoProjector in it.

          • Yarrow

            oops I got that number -slightly- wrong. It was an 8-figure sum 😛 read the thread here. Note that as far as I know this is unconfirmed: https://mobile.twitter.com/chris_randall/status/554282254844059649

          • Thanks, Yarrow. I guess I’ll just sit down and wait and see. Really hoping MainStage is not the only app that gets the Auto Sampler.

  • squirrel squirrel squirrel

    Please, please, please. Just squash some bugs. I don’t need any new features. I just need LPX to work as well and be as fast as 9. Please and thank you.

  • squirrel squirrel squirrel

    Please, please, please. Just squash some bugs. I don’t need any new features. I just need LPX to work as well and be as fast as 9. Please and thank you.

  • joiner

    Exciting! I picked Logic Pro X over Ableton Live almost entirely because of the cost value. I made the switch this year from the life of an overloaded pirate to 100% legit and after abandoning all my (shame on me) pirated softsynths it became clear that only Logic would be able to offer me a healthy amount of instruments along with a DAW for a price I could afford. I was doing fine looking past the singer songwriter focus but now this is blowing my mind! Everything you listed is going to expand my game. I am also slowly saving my dough and supporting developers I “borrowed” from in the past so maybe karma is real…

    • Doubly interesting comment – partly because it illustrates that plug-ins could benefit from App Store support. (When I heard Apple was calling with an update, I wondered if this would come up – answer, not yet.)

    • sameboatdiffpirate

      I’m in the same boat! For whatever reason I just have had bad feelings about Live whenever I launched it in the past – it just did not seem intuitive and I did not think I could just “dive in” like I have been able to with… well, Ableton.

      I finally purchased a legit copy of Logic, and have been slowly trying to figure it out. It must just be me, because I still don’t feel like I can just jump in like I can with Ableton, but with these updates, I’m really hoping some of that will change.

      I’m guessing most of the problem is me, my penchant for mainly mouse-based editing, and a refusal to learn the (what I’m sure are) easy keyboard shortcuts.

      But we’ll see! I really would *like* to like Logic… it certainly has all the tools you need at that ridiculous price-point, but I think I just need to get over the initial hump and find a workflow that works for me.

  • joiner

    Exciting! I picked Logic Pro X over Ableton Live almost entirely because of the cost value. I made the switch this year from the life of an overloaded pirate to 100% legit and after abandoning all my (shame on me) pirated softsynths it became clear that only Logic would be able to offer me a healthy amount of instruments along with a DAW for a price I could afford. I was doing fine looking past the singer songwriter focus but now this is blowing my mind! Everything you listed is going to expand my game. I am also slowly saving my dough and supporting developers I “borrowed” from in the past so maybe karma is real…

    • Doubly interesting comment – partly because it illustrates that plug-ins could benefit from App Store support. (When I heard Apple was calling with an update, I wondered if this would come up – answer, not yet.)

    • sameboatdiffpirate

      I’m in the same boat! For whatever reason I just have had bad feelings about Live whenever I launched it in the past – it just did not seem intuitive and I did not think I could just “dive in” like I have been able to with… well, Ableton.

      I finally purchased a legit copy of Logic, and have been slowly trying to figure it out. It must just be me, because I still don’t feel like I can just jump in like I can with Ableton, but with these updates, I’m really hoping some of that will change.

      I’m guessing most of the problem is me, my penchant for mainly mouse-based editing, and a refusal to learn the (what I’m sure are) easy keyboard shortcuts.

      But we’ll see! I really would *like* to like Logic… it certainly has all the tools you need at that ridiculous price-point, but I think I just need to get over the initial hump and find a workflow that works for me.

  • teej

    Any deets on just what kind of improvements have been made to the EXS? Did they update the instrument itself, or just the content? Both? The update isn’t showing in my App Store yet and the suspense is killing me!

  • teej

    Any deets on just what kind of improvements have been made to the EXS? Did they update the instrument itself, or just the content? Both? The update isn’t showing in my App Store yet and the suspense is killing me!

  • haszari

    AUTOMATION IN REGIONS!! I am pretty happy about this.

    • Nikolozi

      Plus, a relative mode! I no longer need to insert a gain plug-in in order to independently set the overall level of a track using its volume fader.

  • AUTOMATION IN REGIONS!! I am pretty happy about this.

    • Nikolozi

      Plus, a relative mode! I no longer need to insert a gain plug-in in order to independently set the overall level of a track using its volume fader.

  • Mibrilane

    So of course Apple adds AU plug-in management to Logic Pro X just days AFTER I buy Auganizer to do precisely that. Sigh.

    • Logic fan

      So glad I held off from buying Auganizer!

    • Right – but, correct me if I’m wrong here, a major advantage of AUganizer is the ability to work with other hosts.

      Also, it still looks more powerful than what’s on offer in Logic. The Logic feature is definitely welcome, but … no reason to get worked up over this.

    • noisyneil

      I did the same, but the folder structure is way more configurable in Auganizer. Maybe I’m missing something but it seems that with Logic’s new Plugin Manager, there’s only one folder level. You can’t, for example, have a root folder called “Dynamics”, within which you could drop “Compressors”, within which you could drop “Vintage” and “Modern”, within which you could drop various manufacturers… Seems like the new Logic way is just to have a huge list of single-layer folders. Hmmm… glad I bought Auganizer!

      • Mibrilane

        Yes, my initial reaction to the news (above) was before I really investigated their approach. AUganizer lets you do nested folders, which does make it better for really sorting things. On the flip side, Apple lets one add plug-ins to the top-level folders where Apple’s native plug-ins are listed, instead of just organizing the Audio Units folder. They leave the AU folder alone, it seems, so perhaps I will combine both methods, putting my favorites in the top level folders courtesy of Logic’s method and then sort all of my Audio Units into sub-groupings in the Audio Units folder with AUganizer. I will experiment this weekend to see how well that works.

      • chaosmeister

        Logic does nested folders too. You can create Comp:Vintage and Comp:Modern in the plug in organizer and those will show up as subfolders of a higher level Comp folder.

        • noisyneil

          you’re right. i figured that out since my initial post. it’s still not as easy to use or keep track of as auganizer though. you end up with a huge long list of folder titles instead of it appearing as nested folders in the manager. also with auganizer, you can see at a glance each plugin’s assigned folder. much less confusing.

  • Mibrilane

    So of course Apple adds AU plug-in management to Logic Pro X just days AFTER I buy Auganizer to do precisely that. Sigh.

    • Logic fan

      So glad I held off from buying Auganizer!

    • Right – but, correct me if I’m wrong here, a major advantage of AUganizer is the ability to work with other hosts.

      Also, it still looks more powerful than what’s on offer in Logic. The Logic feature is definitely welcome, but … no reason to get worked up over this.

    • noisyneil

      I did the same, but the folder structure is way more configurable in Auganizer. Maybe I’m missing something but it seems that with Logic’s new Plugin Manager, there’s only one folder level. You can’t, for example, have a root folder called “Dynamics”, within which you could drop “Compressors”, within which you could drop “Vintage” and “Modern”, within which you could drop various manufacturers… Seems like the new Logic way is just to have a huge list of single-layer folders. Hmmm… glad I bought Auganizer!

      • Mibrilane

        Yes, my initial reaction to the news (above) was before I really investigated their approach. AUganizer lets you do nested folders, which does make it better for really sorting things. On the flip side, Apple lets one add plug-ins to the top-level folders where Apple’s native plug-ins are listed, instead of just organizing the Audio Units folder. They leave the AU folder alone, it seems, so perhaps I will combine both methods, putting my favorites in the top level folders courtesy of Logic’s method and then sort all of my Audio Units into sub-groupings in the Audio Units folder with AUganizer. I will experiment this weekend to see how well that works.

      • chaosmeister

        Logic does nested folders too. You can create Comp:Vintage and Comp:Modern in the plug in organizer and those will show up as subfolders of a higher level Comp folder.

        • noisyneil

          you’re right. i figured that out since my initial post. it’s still not as easy to use or keep track of as auganizer though. you end up with a huge long list of folder titles instead of it appearing as nested folders in the manager. also with auganizer, you can see at a glance each plugin’s assigned folder. much less confusing.

  • mmv

    Looks like a great update. Sadly Ive bought into the ableton ecosystem with push and apc40 – some of these features really want to make me switch! What to do???

    • Davo

      make some music and don’t worry!

      • mmv

        Good point!

    • puzzlefactory

      Get PXT general and you can use push with Logic.

    • boblazo

      It’s relatively inexpensive for what you get…but you have to invest time to get to know and eventually master it…The $$$ becomes secondary. Go for it.

  • mmv

    Looks like a great update. Sadly Ive bought into the ableton ecosystem with push and apc40 – some of these features really want to make me switch! What to do???

    • Davo

      make some music and don’t worry!

      • mmv

        Good point!

    • puzzlefactory

      Get PXT general and you can use push with Logic.

    • boblazo

      It’s relatively inexpensive for what you get…but you have to invest time to get to know and eventually master it…The $$$ becomes secondary. Go for it.

  • Plopp

    What’s the difference between the new automation by region and the old region based automation?

    • Freeks

      Not tried this yet, but in Logic 9 you could do automations to the region independently from the track. So you copy-paste-move your region and automations stay with it.

      I’m not sure do i remember correctly but that was the way all automations were done in Logic 5.

  • Plopp

    What’s the difference between the new automation by region and the old region based automation?

    • Freeks

      Not tried this yet, but in Logic 9 you could do automations to the region independently from the track. So you copy-paste-move your region and automations stay with it.

      I’m not sure do i remember correctly but that was the way all automations were done in Logic 5.

  • puzzlefactory

    I’m a little confused about the comment that the “brush” tool makes Ableton and Maschine look stupid. Why is that?

    • Manual mouse editing in those tools is somewhat … manual. I’d love to see this sort of feature implemented there. This kind of brush tool is not new to MIDI piano roll editors, generally, even if just appearing in Logic.

      • Apoclypse

        Okay. So what about the brush feature in Live that works almost exactly like it? Don’t get me wrong, I like th update, but the piano roll features were already in Live a long time ago. Such as folding so that you only see lanes with notes in them, drum names to notes, and the Brush tool (Ctrl/CMD+B in Live), You can even do the exact same thing you are lauding Logic’s implementation for and draw snare rolls or whatever with a flick of the mouse.

        So I would like some clarification as to why this is better or different than Live.

        I agree with you in-terms of Maschine. Not because it isn’t similar but because Maschine’s implementation is dumb as rocks.

        • Can you do in Live what this brush can?

          Not with scale quantize, you can’t.

          Not with direct, explicit control over the grid. (only the indirect zoom level changes… ugh)

          Not with the ability to save patterns (apart from copy/paste).

          And don’t get me started about the limitations on simply editing the piano roll directly in an arrangement. I love Live. I use it weekly. But the best MIDI editing implementation ever, it ain’t.

          • Apoclypse

            I’ll give you scale quantize and maybe patterns (though how important is that in a DAW like Live). However you can change the grid size in Live just by right-clicking. It’s even more accessible than Logic, imo. You don’t have to change the zoom levels. Use this all the time to do snare rolls at 1/64.

            I’m not arguing for or against Logic’s implementation, I was playing around with it yesterday but it’s not really all that different than Live’s for the most part, and in some instances a bit clunky.

  • puzzlefactory

    I’m a little confused about the comment that the “brush” tool makes Ableton and Maschine look stupid. Why is that?

    • Manual mouse editing in those tools is somewhat … manual. I’d love to see this sort of feature implemented there. This kind of brush tool is not new to MIDI piano roll editors, generally, even if just appearing in Logic.

      • Apoclypse

        Okay. So what about the brush feature in Live that works almost exactly like it? Don’t get me wrong, I like th update, but the piano roll features were already in Live a long time ago. Such as folding so that you only see lanes with notes in them, drum names to notes, and the Brush tool (Ctrl/CMD+B in Live), You can even do the exact same thing you are lauding Logic’s implementation for and draw snare rolls or whatever with a flick of the mouse.

        So I would like some clarification as to why this is better or different than Live.

        I agree with you in-terms of Maschine. Not because it isn’t similar but because Maschine’s implementation is dumb as rocks.

        • Can you do in Live what this brush can?

          Not with scale quantize, you can’t.

          Not with direct, explicit control over the grid. (only the indirect zoom level changes… ugh)

          Not with the ability to save patterns (apart from copy/paste).

          And don’t get me started about the limitations on simply editing the piano roll directly in an arrangement. I love Live. I use it weekly. But the best MIDI editing implementation ever, it ain’t.

          • Apoclypse

            I’ll give you scale quantize and maybe patterns (though how important is that in a DAW like Live). However you can change the grid size in Live just by right-clicking. It’s even more accessible than Logic, imo. You don’t have to change the zoom levels. Use this all the time to do snare rolls at 1/64.

            I’m not arguing for or against Logic’s implementation, I was playing around with it yesterday but it’s not really all that different than Live’s for the most part, and in some instances a bit clunky.

  • Ok.. so.. Where’s Note Repeat / Spot Erase, please?

    • Yeah, we may need a tutorial soon…

    • Jeff

      plus there are key commands to bring them up and maybe more importantly, support inside of Logic Remote, which is really fun.

      • Thanks! I configured it to §. I hope this’ll somehow help.. Phew..

  • Ok.. so.. Where’s Note Repeat / Spot Erase, please?
    Edit: So you gotta go to View -> Show Toolbar before you see it. Ok.

    • Yeah, we may need a tutorial soon…

    • Dopamine Addict

      plus there are key commands to bring them up and maybe more importantly, support inside of Logic Remote, which is really fun.

      • Thanks! I configured it to §. I hope this’ll somehow help.. Phew..

  • Tom

    Does anybody know where the new drum samples are located? Or if you can get to them?

  • Tom

    Does anybody know where the new drum samples are located? Or if you can get to them?

  • Jonny

    You sure you can switch out Drummer for Maschine/another drum machine? Seems like it’s implemented in a new way in 10.1

  • Jonny

    You sure you can switch out Drummer for Maschine/another drum machine? Seems like it’s implemented in a new way in 10.1

  • steve

    Why the hell doesn’t every DAW have a brush tool?

  • steve

    Why the hell doesn’t every DAW have a brush tool?

  • Jared

    This is awesome. But they still haven’t fixed the freaking pan/balance knob!!! Come on apple.

  • Jared

    This is awesome. But they still haven’t fixed the freaking pan/balance knob!!! Come on apple.

  • Luke

    I always find the points people give about their DAW being “better” can almost always be done in other DAWs. They just don’t know how to do it so assume it can’t be done.

  • Luke

    I always find the points people give about their DAW being “better” can almost always be done in other DAWs. They just don’t know how to do it so assume it can’t be done.

  • Stefansson

    Automate in regions is an EDM producers dream. Makes filtering a piece of piss. Some things just shouldn’t take long. I get distracted so quickly things like this make the difference between a track getting finished or thinking to myself ‘I’ll do it tomorrow’ lol

  • Stefansson

    Automate in regions is an EDM producers dream. Makes filtering a piece of piss. Some things just shouldn’t take long. I get distracted so quickly things like this make the difference between a track getting finished or thinking to myself ‘I’ll do it tomorrow’ lol

  • downloaded new content, but can’t access the new vintage mellotron. is it “in” another instrument?

  • downloaded new content, but can’t access the new vintage mellotron. is it “in” another instrument?

  • RaZ

    I must say I hate Logic X Pro Interface…. It looks like some toy-shit! Logic Pro 9 is more simple. It so freaking disturbing to have it with that black color.

  • RaZ

    I must say I hate Logic X Pro Interface…. It looks like some toy-shit! Logic Pro 9 is more simple. It so freaking disturbing to have it with that black color.

  • Automation in regions, new Piano Roll, and custom AU organisation. This is the true X update.

  • Automation in regions, new Piano Roll, and custom AU organisation. This is the true X update.

  • Logic, FCPX & the future photo app would greatly benefit in app store plug in support. EXS & Ultrabeat need both a serious makeover. I actually replaced them both with Kontakt, Battery4. Pro Q2 is my EQ of choice

  • Logic, FCPX & the future photo app would greatly benefit in app store plug in support. EXS & Ultrabeat need both a serious makeover. I actually replaced them both with Kontakt, Battery4. Pro Q2 is my EQ of choice

  • Thom Vickers

    Is it possible to get the old compressor back?

  • Thom Vickers

    Is it possible to get the old compressor back?

  • Brandon

    I’m having an issue with two different drum regions not transitioning well from one to the other. Anyone have trouble with this, too?

  • Brandon

    I’m having an issue with two different drum regions not transitioning well from one to the other. Anyone have trouble with this, too?

  • Ян Ламволь

    I am happy to use it!

  • Ян Ламволь

    I am happy to use it!

  • Kermit Jagger

    Not really relevant, but I still have a Win98 computer with Logic Pro Isis installed. That was 1999 or 2000, and reputedly among the best computer recording gear around. It cost $600 AUD, came boxed (no downloads), and was produced by Guillemot, who soon after stopped supporting it with upgrades. Obviously, it’s taken leaps and bounds with Apple. In fact, I just bought it.

  • Kermit Jagger

    Not really relevant, but I still have a Win98 computer with Logic Pro Isis installed. That was 1999 or 2000, and reputedly among the best computer recording gear around. It cost $600 AUD, came boxed (no downloads), and was produced by Guillemot, who soon after stopped supporting it with upgrades. Obviously, it’s taken leaps and bounds with Apple. In fact, I just bought it.