Novation_Launchpad_Pro

One of last month’s more predictable NAMM announcements was, at long last, an update to Novation’s Launchpad line that adds RGB color support and pressure sensitivity. But that means that it’s easier to compare the new Launchpad Pro with the spendier (but also more powerful) Ableton Push.

It’s been a few years since the original Launchpad first commercialized the “grid performance instrument” concept popularized by the monome. Since then, we’ve seen Novation’s LEDs get brighter and the body get slimmer, plus the welcome addition of class-compliant support (opening up iOS and Linux compatibility and driverless operation). But the Launchpad itself remained a pretty simple grid of buttons. How hard you hit those buttons doesn’t matter, and you don’t get color feedback that could assist in knowing which clips you’re looking at.

The Launchpad Pro focuses mainly on what the grid can do. Now, there’s velocity and pressure sensitivity, and RGB color feedback – just as on Ableton’s Push.

So, the obvious follow-up question: why would you buy a Launchpad Pro and not a Push? There are some obvious and not-so-obvious answers to that question. First, the obvious answers.

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It’s cheaper. Yep, this is the big one: Push does more than the Launchpad does, but it costs more, too. The Launchpad Pro isn’t in the bargain basement with the rest of the Launchpads, but its US$299 street compares favorably to Push at $599 (assuming you missed out on Ableton’s recent holiday sale).

It’s lighter and more compact. The Launchpad frankly surprised me with its durability in the market, but I think that’s partly to do with its durability in people’s bags. It’s stupidly light and compact and you can toss it around without giving it a second thought. (I know monome users who kept their treasured wooden instrument safely at home in the studio and abused a Launchpad on the road instead.) The Launchpad Pro adds some bulk, but not much – and that beautiful metal case Ableton uses on Push means it’s also a bit more to shoulder in your carry-on.

But there are some less-obvious reasons, too.

The workflow is shallower, but also simpler. If you liked the original Launchpad, you’ll find the Launchpad Pro’s quick-access buttons familiar. But there’s more to it than that. Every time Ableton went fancier with Push, Novation went simpler. That means Push is deeper, but it also means the Launchpad Pro promises to be quicker – at least in some cases.

For instance, whereas Push’s drum modes split the grid into a step sequencer and triggers, Launchpad Pro just assumes what you really want is an 8×8 drum grid – nothing else. So, there’s less paging around for sounds, and less task switching to remember how the step sequencer works.

There’s also one-button access to volume – no switching to a mixing mode required, that is. Now, it’s not terribly precise: you tap buttons to adjust volume, since the Launchpad Pro lacks faders or encoders. But Novation (and others) can sell you a fader box; what you get here is quick access. In fact, the best way to describe the approach of the Launchpad Pro is flatness.

“Play” the mix. As noted in comments, check out the Fader Glide feature. The basic idea is, tap to set faders – and use velocity to change values. It’s interesting as it refocuses the Launchpad Pro on being a performance instrument. It borrows some of the “everything under your fingers” approaches of the more innovative work done by the monome community, but by adding velocity, does so with an additional dimension of expression. And that makes this more like playing a single instrument than playing an instrument and also adjusting mixer controls. I’m really curious to try this.

There are still modes – Session (for clip triggering and so on), Note (for playing instruments), Device (for effects), and the normal User mode. But by doing less, the Launchpad Pro also gives you less to learn.

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It works with your MIDI gear and other software, without any effort. Now, this is the interesting one. Sure, Ableton Push is a class-compliant device and uses bi-directional MIDI to communicate. But it isn’t really set up to work with anything but Ableton Live. (The only exceptions so far have been elaborate templates created for other tools, like Bitwig Studio.) The Launchpad Pro, by contrast, is perfectly happy to work as a simple, pressure- and velocity-sensitive note controller with other software instruments.

It operates in standalone mode and with hardware. In a bigger departure, there are actual MIDI ports (via jack adapters) – that’s something missing on even the monome. So, the Launchpad Pro is an actual MIDI grid controller. (You can use an included power adapter.)

Finally, we get a grid controller that doesn’t require a PC around. The monome recently proved it could work in host mode with modulars, but being able to do this over MIDI DIN with no other hardware is an obvious edge.

Up until this last point, I didn’t really feel I needed a Launchpad Pro to review – but this changes it, so stay tuned.

I’m not necessarily endorsing the Launchpad Pro. There are still loads of reasons to get Push. Push is a beautifully built piece of hardware with a deep workflow. The display, the encoders, the ribbon controller – those are all things you might miss on the Novation, even if it is cheaper. Also, we have to see what Ableton does to follow up Push. (Push 2? Shove? Uh… whatever?) Please, Ableton – think about MIDI ports. Seriously. Especially with more gear adding minijacks.

But the Novation Launchpad Pro, while it might seem at first like a “poor man’s Push,” deserves a second look for its superior operation away from Ableton Live. I’ll see when I can get one from Novation and hook it up to some gear.

http://novationmusic.com/midi-controllers-digital-dj/launchpad-pro#spec

Update: Color over MIDI

Yes, you’ll be able to set RGB values over MIDI.

Launchpad Pro will have a ‘colour table’ of 128 colours which are addressable via MIDI note + note velocity values. There is also an RGB definition via MIDI Sysex so that the user can send a R, G, and B value to create their own colour mix. Both options will work via USB or the MIDI ports.
We will publish our MIDI documentation closer to launch, which will outline the full details of integration.

(Note that some Native Instruments hardware works similarly. There’s no reason MIDI can’t be used to control RGB.)

  • Mike Perkowitz

    Have you heard anything about controlling the launchpad pro with midi? The original maps midi notes to buttons and velocity to color, but that’s not really enough for full RGB color, unless they just map velocity to a simplified color space.

    • Curious about that, too – have inquired.

  • Mike Perkowitz

    Have you heard anything about controlling the launchpad pro with midi? The original maps midi notes to buttons and velocity to color, but that’s not really enough for full RGB color, unless they just map velocity to a simplified color space.

    • Curious about that, too – have inquired.

  • Mike Perkowitz

    Have you heard anything about controlling the launchpad pro with midi? The original maps midi notes to buttons and velocity to color, but that’s not really enough for full RGB color, unless they just map velocity to a simplified color space.

    • Curious about that, too – have inquired.

  • Kung Pao Chicken

    Oh wow. I had been thinking about replacing my 1st generation Launchpad with a Launchpad Mini, but this is way more interesting. Since I’m just a hobbyist and don’t have a dedicated studio or something I’ve always liked that I can just stow away the Launchpad, which I don’t think you can do as easily with an APC or a Push. Definitely gonna check this out in person.

    • Octavio

      exactly the same but i want a launchpad s….

  • Kung Pao Chicken

    Oh wow. I had been thinking about replacing my 1st generation Launchpad with a Launchpad Mini, but this is way more interesting. Since I’m just a hobbyist and don’t have a dedicated studio or something I’ve always liked that I can just stow away the Launchpad, which I don’t think you can do as easily with an APC or a Push. Definitely gonna check this out in person.

    • Octavio

      exactly the same but i want a launchpad s….

  • Kung Pao Chicken

    Oh wow. I had been thinking about replacing my 1st generation Launchpad with a Launchpad Mini, but this is way more interesting. Since I’m just a hobbyist and don’t have a dedicated studio or something I’ve always liked that I can just stow away the Launchpad, which I don’t think you can do as easily with an APC or a Push. Definitely gonna check this out in person.

    • Octavio

      exactly the same but i want a launchpad s….

  • mercury

    Imo, the best part of Push is the encoders along with the fact that they tell you what you are controlling. Seems to be the most difficult thing to find with all of the existing controllers is that they are extremely limited at controlling VSTs – I know you mentioned the encoders, but for me that is near the top of the list – the grid part is simple as there are a lot of options and they are all configurable with the correct scripts.

    • Well, yes, it’s a shame there’s no display here. I appreciate the performance aspects, but you’re definitely lacking in visual feedback.

      Just remember, we’ve got this secret weapon:

      http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/12/wish-granted-ableton-live-control-way-wanted/

      So, if you sync a LaunchPad Pro to touchAble, for instance – you get more visual feedback than you have on Push, and more flexible continuous parameter control (no menu diving) for effects, etc. Or just use the iPad for effects. It’s a better display than any display you could built into hardware.

      • CUSP

        I don’t see this as a problem. If you want screen feedback, it’s there in Ableton. If you want all the bells and whistles, get a Push, if you’re ok with fewer options, at a lower price, go with that. The Launchpad has bigger buttons though, and that matters to some people.

        On a side note: I’m really hoping for the next revision of the Remote SL series (Mk 3).

      • Joseph James

        Perfect setup!!

        One can get a used iPad that can run the app in the sub200 range… TouchAble plus launchpad blows the push away.

      • leolodreamland

        exactly what i was thinking…

  • mercury

    Imo, the best part of Push is the encoders along with the fact that they tell you what you are controlling. Seems to be the most difficult thing to find with all of the existing controllers is that they are extremely limited at controlling VSTs – I know you mentioned the encoders, but for me that is near the top of the list – the grid part is simple as there are a lot of options and they are all configurable with the correct scripts.

    • Well, yes, it’s a shame there’s no display here. I appreciate the performance aspects, but you’re definitely lacking in visual feedback.

      Just remember, we’ve got this secret weapon:

      http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/12/wish-granted-ableton-live-control-way-wanted/

      So, if you sync a LaunchPad Pro to touchAble, for instance – you get more visual feedback than you have on Push, and more flexible continuous parameter control (no menu diving) for effects, etc. Or just use the iPad for effects. It’s a better display than any display you could built into hardware.

      • CUSP

        I don’t see this as a problem. If you want screen feedback, it’s there in Ableton. If you want all the bells and whistles, get a Push, if you’re ok with fewer options, at a lower price, go with that. The Launchpad has bigger buttons though, and that matters to some people.

        On a side note: I’m really hoping for the next revision of the Remote SL series (Mk 3).

      • leolodreamland

        exactly what i was thinking…

  • mercury

    Imo, the best part of Push is the encoders along with the fact that they tell you what you are controlling. Seems to be the most difficult thing to find with all of the existing controllers is that they are extremely limited at controlling VSTs – I know you mentioned the encoders, but for me that is near the top of the list – the grid part is simple as there are a lot of options and they are all configurable with the correct scripts.

    • Well, yes, it’s a shame there’s no display here. I appreciate the performance aspects, but you’re definitely lacking in visual feedback.

      Just remember, we’ve got this secret weapon:

      http://createdigitalmusic.com/2014/12/wish-granted-ableton-live-control-way-wanted/

      So, if you sync a LaunchPad Pro to touchAble, for instance – you get more visual feedback than you have on Push, and more flexible continuous parameter control (no menu diving) for effects, etc. Or just use the iPad for effects. It’s a better display than any display you could built into hardware.

      • CUSP

        I don’t see this as a problem. If you want screen feedback, it’s there in Ableton. If you want all the bells and whistles, get a Push, if you’re ok with fewer options, at a lower price, go with that. The Launchpad has bigger buttons though, and that matters to some people.

        On a side note: I’m really hoping for the next revision of the Remote SL series (Mk 3).

      • leolodreamland

        exactly what i was thinking…

  • Leon Tricker

    What I’ve always loved about the LP is that is focuses me on what Ableton Live still does very well: allowing me to quickly and easily mess around with, and create a track / performance from, loops and snippets of audio. Somewhere along the way, this basic purpose of Live seems to have got lost for many people. In a live performance setting I don’t want access to every parameter on everything. I want to focus on combining audio clips to create a unique arrangement – a performance, not a twiddle fest. The ‘stepped’ parameter controls on the original LP aren’t a replacement for knobs and faders – if that’s what you want – but personally I’ve found the LP made me re-think my approach to controlling stuff. The LP has limits, but limits can force creativity. The LP Pro looks great – just adding multi-colours is enough for me to hand over the cash!

    • Right, and then this velocity-based value is interesting…

  • Leon Tricker

    What I’ve always loved about the LP is that is focuses me on what Ableton Live still does very well: allowing me to quickly and easily mess around with, and create a track / performance from, loops and snippets of audio. Somewhere along the way, this basic purpose of Live seems to have got lost for many people. In a live performance setting I don’t want access to every parameter on everything. I want to focus on combining audio clips to create a unique arrangement – a performance, not a twiddle fest. The ‘stepped’ parameter controls on the original LP aren’t a replacement for knobs and faders – if that’s what you want – but personally I’ve found the LP made me re-think my approach to controlling stuff. The LP has limits, but limits can force creativity. The LP Pro looks great – just adding multi-colours is enough for me to hand over the cash!

    • Right, and then this velocity-based value is interesting…

  • Leon Tricker

    What I’ve always loved about the LP is that is focuses me on what Ableton Live still does very well: allowing me to quickly and easily mess around with, and create a track / performance from, loops and snippets of audio. Somewhere along the way, this basic purpose of Live seems to have got lost for many people. In a live performance setting I don’t want access to every parameter on everything. I want to focus on combining audio clips to create a unique arrangement – a performance, not a twiddle fest. The ‘stepped’ parameter controls on the original LP aren’t a replacement for knobs and faders – if that’s what you want – but personally I’ve found the LP made me re-think my approach to controlling stuff. The LP has limits, but limits can force creativity. The LP Pro looks great – just adding multi-colours is enough for me to hand over the cash!

    • Right, and then this velocity-based value is interesting…

  • Thomas Piper

    I wonder if the novation is brighter than the push one of the problems I have with the push is that at outdoor venues it is hard to see what clips you are launching or what notes you are playing

    • EvanBogunia

      This is an intrinsic issue with LEDs. Good luck finding any LED controller that can stand up to the sun.

      • Thomas Piper

        It would be nice 🙂

      • leolodreamland

        i bought the LEDs for my monome grid. oh boy they light up a room like a lamp! should be a doozy to see these bad boys in the sun…

    • Really, even after you plug in the PSU? It’s dim without it, I agree, though I kind of like that it isn’t blinding… and with the PSU, I haven’t had so much trouble seeing it.

      I think the other issue isn’t just brightness but the shape of the pads and the way they diffuse light. (Maschine mk2 and Studio for me are easier to see, I’ll admit.)

      I guess what we want on all of this gear is 1) really bright LEDs 2) dimming controls for when they’re too bright.

  • Thomas Piper

    I wonder if the novation is brighter than the push one of the problems I have with the push is that at outdoor venues it is hard to see what clips you are launching or what notes you are playing

    • EvanBogunia

      This is an intrinsic issue with LEDs. Good luck finding any LED controller that can stand up to the sun.

      • Thomas Piper

        It would be nice 🙂

      • leolodreamland

        i bought the LEDs for my monome grid. oh boy they light up a room like a lamp! should be a doozy to see these bad boys in the sun…

    • Really, even after you plug in the PSU? It’s dim without it, I agree, though I kind of like that it isn’t blinding… and with the PSU, I haven’t had so much trouble seeing it.

      I think the other issue isn’t just brightness but the shape of the pads and the way they diffuse light. (Maschine mk2 and Studio for me are easier to see, I’ll admit.)

      I guess what we want on all of this gear is 1) really bright LEDs 2) dimming controls for when they’re too bright.

  • Thomas Piper

    I wonder if the novation is brighter than the push one of the problems I have with the push is that at outdoor venues it is hard to see what clips you are launching or what notes you are playing

    • EvanBogunia

      This is an intrinsic issue with LEDs. Good luck finding any LED controller that can stand up to the sun.

      • Thomas Piper

        It would be nice 🙂

      • leolodreamland

        i bought the LEDs for my monome grid. oh boy they light up a room like a lamp! should be a doozy to see these bad boys in the sun…

    • Really, even after you plug in the PSU? It’s dim without it, I agree, though I kind of like that it isn’t blinding… and with the PSU, I haven’t had so much trouble seeing it.

      I think the other issue isn’t just brightness but the shape of the pads and the way they diffuse light. (Maschine mk2 and Studio for me are easier to see, I’ll admit.)

      I guess what we want on all of this gear is 1) really bright LEDs 2) dimming controls for when they’re too bright.

  • ElectroB

    “Every time Ableton went fancier with Push, Novation went simpler.”
    Precisely.
    Also, MIDI ports.
    Apparently this new generation just upped the game.

    IMHO this is further proof that Push is quite overpriced and is just not THE ultimate controller, if such a thing exists.
    I understand that Push may be practical, but if you want to actually play instruments AND keep launching clips I still think you need a modular solution (i.e. Launchpad + 1 or 2 mini keyboards / slider controllers)

    • I don’t think Push is overpriced. It’s a really beautiful build – the ribbon, the pads, the case, the encoders, the displays. It’s full of details that explain its price.

      But this isn’t about price. Part of the reason it’s important for Ableton to continue to support its OEM hardware partners is that those partners can provide a different range of solutions. (DIY hardware, too – like this amazing set of joysticks we saw Stimming use for spatial control on the 4DSOUND.)

      In the case of the Launchpad Pro, I think this fits the use case “I don’t need everything that Push does, and I also want to use my controller with hardware.”

    • ThisIsTheRager

      It’s easy to dismiss Push if you just gave it a try. I was taken through it by an Ableton Trainer and was amazed at how quick it was to get going making a track. While I am an instrumentalist and play keys more than use the push for inputing notes, I like having the option. The step sequencer makes complex drum patterns easy.

      Push is an idea machine. to me it offers the best of the Launchpad with added benefit of live feedback and more from Ableton. There’s no reason why the Push doesn’t fit in with MIDI instruments. Infact it rather compliments them. Use it to modulate sequences, create patterns, add effects to your instruments, quantise and more all with the Push (see what I did there) of a button. Just saying. Push just allows me to not have to look at the screen a lot so that’s great to me.

  • ElectroB

    “Every time Ableton went fancier with Push, Novation went simpler.”
    Precisely.
    Also, MIDI ports.
    Apparently this new generation just upped the game.

    IMHO this is further proof that Push is quite overpriced and is just not THE ultimate controller, if such a thing exists.
    I understand that Push may be practical, but if you want to actually play instruments AND keep launching clips I still think you need a modular solution (i.e. Launchpad + 1 or 2 mini keyboards / controllers). Personally I tried Push and wasn’t convinced, but to each his/her own.

    • I don’t think Push is overpriced. It’s a really beautiful build – the ribbon, the pads, the case, the encoders, the displays. It’s full of details that explain its price.

      But this isn’t about price. Part of the reason it’s important for Ableton to continue to support its OEM hardware partners is that those partners can provide a different range of solutions. (DIY hardware, too – like this amazing set of joysticks we saw Stimming use for spatial control on the 4DSOUND.)

      In the case of the Launchpad Pro, I think this fits the use case “I don’t need everything that Push does, and I also want to use my controller with hardware.”

    • ThisIsTheRager

      It’s easy to dismiss Push if you just gave it a try. I was taken through it by an Ableton Trainer and was amazed at how quick it was to get going making a track. While I am an instrumentalist and play keys more than use the push for inputing notes, I like having the option. The step sequencer makes complex drum patterns easy.

      Push is an idea machine. to me it offers the best of the Launchpad with added benefit of live feedback and more from Ableton. There’s no reason why the Push doesn’t fit in with MIDI instruments. Infact it rather compliments them. Use it to modulate sequences, create patterns, add effects to your instruments, quantise and more all with the Push (see what I did there) of a button. Just saying. Push just allows me to not have to look at the screen a lot so that’s great to me.

  • Elekb

    “Every time Ableton went fancier with Push, Novation went simpler.”
    Precisely.
    Also, MIDI ports.
    Apparently this new generation just upped the game.

    IMHO this is further proof that Push is quite overpriced and is just not THE ultimate controller, if such a thing exists.
    I understand that Push may be practical, but if you want to actually play instruments AND keep launching clips I still think you need a modular solution (i.e. Launchpad + 1 or 2 mini keyboards / controllers). Personally I tried Push and wasn’t convinced, but to each his/her own.

    • I don’t think Push is overpriced. It’s a really beautiful build – the ribbon, the pads, the case, the encoders, the displays. It’s full of details that explain its price.

      But this isn’t about price. Part of the reason it’s important for Ableton to continue to support its OEM hardware partners is that those partners can provide a different range of solutions. (DIY hardware, too – like this amazing set of joysticks we saw Stimming use for spatial control on the 4DSOUND.)

      In the case of the Launchpad Pro, I think this fits the use case “I don’t need everything that Push does, and I also want to use my controller with hardware.”

    • ThisIsTheRager

      It’s easy to dismiss Push if you just gave it a try. I was taken through it by an Ableton Trainer and was amazed at how quick it was to get going making a track. While I am an instrumentalist and play keys more than use the push for inputing notes, I like having the option. The step sequencer makes complex drum patterns easy.

      Push is an idea machine. to me it offers the best of the Launchpad with added benefit of live feedback and more from Ableton. There’s no reason why the Push doesn’t fit in with MIDI instruments. Infact it rather compliments them. Use it to modulate sequences, create patterns, add effects to your instruments, quantise and more all with the Push (see what I did there) of a button. Just saying. Push just allows me to not have to look at the screen a lot so that’s great to me.

  • wetterberg

    What’s the scoop on the poly pressure? That’s the one thing I’m really hoping for. Would love to replace my trigger finger with one of these.

    • Darren E Cowley

      What do you need to know??

      • wetterberg

        as much as you can tell me. Feel, configurability, that sort of thing.

        • Darren E Cowley

          Will let you know next week… Poly Pressure though is there in Note mode….

        • Darren E Cowley

          Will do, think mine arrives early next week….

  • wetterberg

    What’s the scoop on the poly pressure? That’s the one thing I’m really hoping for. Would love to replace my trigger finger with one of these.

    • Darren E Cowley

      What do you need to know??

      • wetterberg

        as much as you can tell me. Feel, configurability, that sort of thing.

        • Darren E Cowley

          Will let you know next week… Poly Pressure though is there in Note mode….

        • Darren E Cowley

          Will do, think mine arrives early next week….

  • wetterberg

    What’s the scoop on the poly pressure? That’s the one thing I’m really hoping for. Would love to replace my trigger finger with one of these.

    • Darren E Cowley

      What do you need to know??

      • wetterberg

        as much as you can tell me. Feel, configurability, that sort of thing.

        • Darren E Cowley

          Will let you know next week… Poly Pressure though is there in Note mode….

        • Darren E Cowley

          Will do, think mine arrives early next week….

  • If only it had the step sequencer……… 🙁

    • Well, you can expect some support for those sorts of things in Max for Live patches, etc.

      Interestingly, Novation touts the *absence* of the step sequencer as giving you a full 8×8 drum grid.

      I mean, to me, if you really want deeper integration and more functionality, Push is the one to consider. Remember, the absence of displays and the ribbon controller greatly constrains what this can do.

      If you’re looking for something simpler, though, this gets interesting. And it reminds me of how nice it’d be if Push worked without a computer …

      • I understand that, to each his own, but:

        1. If you ve been in this midi controlling thing more than a couple of years, you really have a multitude of controllers for plain ol faders-knobs control – what we do lack, untill recently anyways, was taking advantage of Live’s PY scripts to have step sequencers that do not rely on the dreadful midi clock (and all the timing issues it entails)
        2. Personally I would be “upgrading” my current Launchpad to Pro, if it had a step sequencer. As it stands, I really cant let go of my current set up that DOES have a Launchpad sequencer WITHOUT M4L by using the famous Launchpad95 scripts.

        To each his own of course 😉

      • einer2002

        True, push has a browser so that would make sense…

        It would mean that the push would need an integrated sound card so it might even double in price.

    • kobamoto rin

      not only that, but if only it had triggering with follow actions, I could use this to turn my mpc into a monome and all without a computer…… 🙁
      one can dream.

  • If only it had the step sequencer……… 🙁

    • Well, you can expect some support for those sorts of things in Max for Live patches, etc.

      Interestingly, Novation touts the *absence* of the step sequencer as giving you a full 8×8 drum grid.

      I mean, to me, if you really want deeper integration and more functionality, Push is the one to consider. Remember, the absence of displays and the ribbon controller greatly constrains what this can do.

      If you’re looking for something simpler, though, this gets interesting. And it reminds me of how nice it’d be if Push worked without a computer …

      • I understand that, to each his own, but:

        1. If you ve been in this midi controlling thing more than a couple of years, you really have a multitude of controllers for plain ol faders-knobs control, meaning its only natural that one who wants to acquire a Launchpad, has the faders-knobs part sorted “elsewhere”, no Push required ;).
        What we do lack, untill recently anyways, was taking advantage of Live’s PY scripts to have step sequencers that do not rely on the dreadful midi clock (and all the timing issues it entails). i just cant justify to myself getting a Push just for the step sequencer, and I can really cover anything else I want to do with Lemur and a bunch of other controllers I have.
        2. Personally I would be “upgrading” my current Launchpad to Pro, if it had a step sequencer. As it stands, I really cant let go of my current set up that DOES have a Launchpad sequencer WITHOUT M4L by using the famous Launchpad95 scripts.

        To each his own of course 😉

      • einer2002

        True, push has a browser so that would make sense…

        It would mean that the push would need an integrated sound card so it might even double in price.

    • kobamoto rin

      not only that, but if only it had triggering with follow actions, I could use this to turn my mpc into a monome and all without a computer…… 🙁
      one can dream.

  • If only it had the step sequencer……… 🙁

    • Well, you can expect some support for those sorts of things in Max for Live patches, etc.

      Interestingly, Novation touts the *absence* of the step sequencer as giving you a full 8×8 drum grid.

      I mean, to me, if you really want deeper integration and more functionality, Push is the one to consider. Remember, the absence of displays and the ribbon controller greatly constrains what this can do.

      If you’re looking for something simpler, though, this gets interesting. And it reminds me of how nice it’d be if Push worked without a computer …

      • I understand that, to each his own, but:

        1. If you ve been in this midi controlling thing more than a couple of years, you really have a multitude of controllers for plain ol faders-knobs control, meaning its only natural that one who wants to acquire a Launchpad, has the faders-knobs part sorted “elsewhere”, no Push required ;).
        What we do lack, untill recently anyways, was taking advantage of Live’s PY scripts to have step sequencers that do not rely on the dreadful midi clock (and all the timing issues it entails). i just cant justify to myself getting a Push just for the step sequencer, and I can really cover anything else I want to do with Lemur and a bunch of other controllers I have.
        2. Personally I would be “upgrading” my current Launchpad to Pro, if it had a step sequencer. As it stands, I really cant let go of my current set up that DOES have a Launchpad sequencer WITHOUT M4L by using the famous Launchpad95 scripts.

        To each his own of course 😉

      • einer2002

        True, push has a browser so that would make sense…

        It would mean that the push would need an integrated sound card so it might even double in price.

    • kobamoto rin

      not only that, but if only it had triggering with follow actions, I could use this to turn my mpc into a monome and all without a computer…… 🙁
      one can dream.

  • Dopamine Addict

    I think it would be amazing if Push or LP would add CV outputs in addition to MIDI. This is a really nice feature of the Akai MAX49. It can’t add that much cost, right? Maybe there’s not enough voltage available on USB2?

    • I think what you want is a MIDI to CV converter, friend. 😉

      Here’s why:
      1. Remember, adding MIDI means adding compatibility with … well, basically everything. The number of people wanting to connect to CV is still essentially tiny.

      2. The internal architecture of a MIDI controller is already … well, MIDI. So adding a MIDI output is more of a no-brainer. Once we get into CV, you have to work out how it’s mapped, etc.

      But the MAX49 is nice in that regard, yes.

  • Dopamine Addict

    I think it would be amazing if Push or LP would add CV outputs in addition to MIDI. This is a really nice feature of the Akai MAX49. It can’t add that much cost, right? Maybe there’s not enough voltage available on USB2?

    • I think what you want is a MIDI to CV converter, friend. 😉

      Here’s why:
      1. Remember, adding MIDI means adding compatibility with … well, basically everything. The number of people wanting to connect to CV is still essentially tiny.

      2. The internal architecture of a MIDI controller is already … well, MIDI. So adding a MIDI output is more of a no-brainer. Once we get into CV, you have to work out how it’s mapped, etc.

      But the MAX49 is nice in that regard, yes.

  • Dopamine Addict

    I think it would be amazing if Push or LP would add CV outputs in addition to MIDI. This is a really nice feature of the Akai MAX49. It can’t add that much cost, right? Maybe there’s not enough voltage available on USB2?

    • I think what you want is a MIDI to CV converter, friend. 😉

      Here’s why:
      1. Remember, adding MIDI means adding compatibility with … well, basically everything. The number of people wanting to connect to CV is still essentially tiny.

      2. The internal architecture of a MIDI controller is already … well, MIDI. So adding a MIDI output is more of a no-brainer. Once we get into CV, you have to work out how it’s mapped, etc.

      But the MAX49 is nice in that regard, yes.

  • heinrichz

    Great however the step sequencer is my favorite feature of Push..gotta have that.

  • heinrichz

    Great however the step sequencer is my favorite feature of Push..gotta have that.

  • heinrichz

    Great however the step sequencer is my favorite feature of Push..gotta have that.

  • I thought the most innovative feature on the Launchpad Pro was Fader Glide — instead of dragging your finger across eight lumpy pads, you tap the end point. The harder you tap, the faster the value changes. So a light tap produces a smooth fade. You can see this in the overview video at 6:47: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPyYZMmi5o#t=6m47s

    • Yes, good point, was thinking how to write about that but will add the video.

      • J_

        could that glide be used for sequencing? say each of the pads was assigned a midi note, would it go from one to the next?!

        that would be really great like a leveled up tenori.

  • I thought the most innovative feature on the Launchpad Pro was Fader Glide — instead of dragging your finger across eight lumpy pads, you tap the end point. The harder you tap, the faster the value changes. So a light tap produces a smooth fade. You can see this in the overview video at 6:47: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPyYZMmi5o#t=6m47s

    • Yes, good point, was thinking how to write about that but will add the video.

      • J_

        could that glide be used for sequencing? say each of the pads was assigned a midi note, would it go from one to the next?!

        that would be really great like a leveled up tenori.

  • I thought the most innovative feature on the Launchpad Pro was Fader Glide — instead of dragging your finger across eight lumpy pads, you tap the end point. The harder you tap, the faster the value changes. So a light tap produces a smooth fade. You can see this in the overview video at 6:47: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xPyYZMmi5o#t=6m47s

    • Yes, good point, was thinking how to write about that but will add the video.

      • J_

        could that glide be used for sequencing? say each of the pads was assigned a midi note, would it go from one to the next?!

        that would be really great like a leveled up tenori.

  • Mutis Mayfield

    Wecan expect an update in launchpad app?

  • Mutis Mayfield

    We can expect an update in launchpad app?

  • Mutis Mayfield

    We can expect an update in launchpad app?

  • Now I know what will replace my maschine mikro!

  • Now I know what will replace my maschine mikro!

  • Yanakyl

    Now I know what will replace my maschine mikro!

  • Jm

    Yeah, light and fits in your backpack with everything else. Those are the two most important aspects for me, and why Push wouldn’t be useful to me.

  • Jm

    Yeah, light and fits in your backpack with everything else. Those are the two most important aspects for me, and why Push wouldn’t be useful to me.

  • Jm

    Yeah, light and fits in your backpack with everything else. Those are the two most important aspects for me, and why Push wouldn’t be useful to me.

  • Gary

    Has Novation said if the LP Pro is compatible existing 3rd party Launchpad scripts? As a non-trained keyboard player, I use a LP Mini with J74 Iso as my main controller for inputting bass and lead lines. It’s just so easy to jam with. J74’s note modes are way more flexible than what I’ve seen from the LP Pro in standalone. I wish Arturia would just copy those note modes and make them standalone. That would make buying another Launchpad really tempting.

    • Darren E Cowley

      Unlikely i can say from knowledge…

  • Gary

    Has Novation said if the LP Pro is compatible existing 3rd party Launchpad scripts? As a non-trained keyboard player, I use a LP Mini with J74 Iso as my main controller for inputting bass and lead lines. It’s just so easy to jam with. J74’s note modes are way more flexible than what I’ve seen from the LP Pro in standalone. I wish Arturia would just copy those note modes and make them standalone. That would make buying another Launchpad really tempting.

    • Darren E Cowley

      Unlikely i can say from knowledge…

  • Gary

    Has Novation said if the LP Pro is compatible existing 3rd party Launchpad scripts? As a non-trained keyboard player, I use a LP Mini with J74 Iso as my main controller for inputting bass and lead lines. It’s just so easy to jam with. J74’s note modes are way more flexible than what I’ve seen from the LP Pro in standalone. I wish Arturia would just copy those note modes and make them standalone. That would make buying another Launchpad really tempting.

    • Darren E Cowley

      Unlikely i can say from knowledge…

  • chap

    Regarding Fader and pressure : What would be awesome is to press the fader destination, and the harder you KEEP pressing, the faster it goes.

    • ey

      thats what it does

  • chap

    Regarding Fader and pressure : What would be awesome is to press the fader destination, and the harder you KEEP pressing, the faster it goes.

    • ey

      thats what it does

  • chap

    Regarding Fader and pressure : What would be awesome is to press the fader destination, and the harder you KEEP pressing, the faster it goes.

    • ey

      thats what it does

  • Aaron Zilch

    I think it’s a bit unfair to compare the two without getting hands on with both units. The Push just feels amazing, both in it’s velocity and pressure response, and in the consistent response of it’s encoders. I write my beats with a mix of pad playing ( including the excellent repeat function which takes full advantage of the poly pressure pads ) and step entry. I have found editing the timing and velocity of the notes via the encoders to be an amazingly musical experience. Also there is the ability to step edit automation. And once you take the time to become familiar with the menu system and the full functionality of the unit, triggering clips and playing instruments simultaneously from the same unit is not nearly as daunting as it would seem. And the ability to quickly dive into the guts of a Rack to experiment with altering a parameter value hands on is unprecedented.

    But there is the key factor on the Push: taking the time to truly learn to master it as you would any traditional instrument. I know for me it took several months, and being forced to work without reaching back to the mouse and monitor, to really use the thing to it’s full potential. I’m still coming up with new techniques for composition and performance ( and the combination of the two ) that it has opened up to me. And due to the excellent build quality ( which, yes, means it is heavier and more expensive ) you’ll be playing the instrument for many years to come. I don’t think we will see a “Push 2” anytime soon, since they built these units to last and spent a lot of time on the design.

    Is half the price really a better value if it breaks in 1/3 of the time? Isn’t a few extra pounds for a metal case better than a cracked plastic one? Are Novation as well regarded for the feel and response of their pads as AKAI? All things to consider and while I withhold a certain amount of judgment till I can actually get hands on with the Launchpad Pro, I have serious doubts.

    • CUSP

      If you’re looking for “just the velocity sensitive, LED lit pads”, then yes. Are there any reports that the Launchpad Pro breaks 1/3 of the time? I know the pads on the Remote 25 SL series of keyboard controllers is very good (if not a little rubbery, but that’s solved with the Launchpad trigger pads, which feel like Maschine trigger pads). I can’t imagine Novation would not at least use the velocity sensitivity of the Remote 25 SL pads, and if that is true, then they are at least on par with the AKAI pads.

      It’s my belief that when AKAI designed the Push, there were a lot of “Deluxe features” many people don’t necessarily want, resulting in an increased price tag… the people who want just the core functionality, will probably be drawn to the Launchpad Pro. Also, don’t underestimate the power of Automap.

  • Aaron Zilch

    I think it’s a bit unfair to compare the two without getting hands on with both units. The Push just feels amazing, both in it’s velocity and pressure response, and in the consistent response of it’s encoders. I write my beats with a mix of pad playing ( including the excellent repeat function which takes full advantage of the poly pressure pads ) and step entry. I have found editing the timing and velocity of the notes via the encoders to be an amazingly musical experience. Also there is the ability to step edit automation. And once you take the time to become familiar with the menu system and the full functionality of the unit, triggering clips and playing instruments simultaneously from the same unit is not nearly as daunting as it would seem. And the ability to quickly dive into the guts of a Rack to experiment with altering a parameter value hands on is unprecedented.

    But there is the key factor on the Push: taking the time to truly learn to master it as you would any traditional instrument. I know for me it took several months, and being forced to work without reaching back to the mouse and monitor, to really use the thing to it’s full potential. I’m still coming up with new techniques for composition and performance ( and the combination of the two ) that it has opened up to me. And due to the excellent build quality ( which, yes, means it is heavier and more expensive ) you’ll be playing the instrument for many years to come. I don’t think we will see a “Push 2” anytime soon, since they built these units to last and spent a lot of time on the design.

    Is half the price really a better value if it breaks in 1/3 of the time? Isn’t a few extra pounds for a metal case better than a cracked plastic one? Are Novation as well regarded for the feel and response of their pads as AKAI? All things to consider and while I withhold a certain amount of judgment till I can actually get hands on with the Launchpad Pro, I have serious doubts.

    • CUSP

      If you’re looking for “just the velocity sensitive, LED lit pads”, then yes. Are there any reports that the Launchpad Pro breaks 1/3 of the time? I know the pads on the Remote 25 SL series of keyboard controllers is very good (if not a little rubbery, but that’s solved with the Launchpad trigger pads, which feel like Maschine trigger pads). I can’t imagine Novation would not at least use the velocity sensitivity of the Remote 25 SL pads, and if that is true, then they are at least on par with the AKAI pads.

      It’s my belief that when AKAI designed the Push, there were a lot of “Deluxe features” many people don’t necessarily want, resulting in an increased price tag… the people who want just the core functionality, will probably be drawn to the Launchpad Pro. Also, don’t underestimate the power of Automap.

  • Aaron Zilch

    I think it’s a bit unfair to compare the two without getting hands on with both units. The Push just feels amazing, both in it’s velocity and pressure response, and in the consistent response of it’s encoders. I write my beats with a mix of pad playing ( including the excellent repeat function which takes full advantage of the poly pressure pads ) and step entry. I have found editing the timing and velocity of the notes via the encoders to be an amazingly musical experience. Also there is the ability to step edit automation. And once you take the time to become familiar with the menu system and the full functionality of the unit, triggering clips and playing instruments simultaneously from the same unit is not nearly as daunting as it would seem. And the ability to quickly dive into the guts of a Rack to experiment with altering a parameter value hands on is unprecedented.

    But there is the key factor on the Push: taking the time to truly learn to master it as you would any traditional instrument. I know for me it took several months, and being forced to work without reaching back to the mouse and monitor, to really use the thing to it’s full potential. I’m still coming up with new techniques for composition and performance ( and the combination of the two ) that it has opened up to me. And due to the excellent build quality ( which, yes, means it is heavier and more expensive ) you’ll be playing the instrument for many years to come. I don’t think we will see a “Push 2” anytime soon, since they built these units to last and spent a lot of time on the design.

    Is half the price really a better value if it breaks in 1/3 of the time? Isn’t a few extra pounds for a metal case better than a cracked plastic one? Are Novation as well regarded for the feel and response of their pads as AKAI? All things to consider and while I withhold a certain amount of judgment till I can actually get hands on with the Launchpad Pro, I have serious doubts.

    • CUSP

      If you’re looking for “just the velocity sensitive, LED lit pads”, then yes. Are there any reports that the Launchpad Pro breaks 1/3 of the time? I know the pads on the Remote 25 SL series of keyboard controllers is very good (if not a little rubbery, but that’s solved with the Launchpad trigger pads, which feel like Maschine trigger pads). I can’t imagine Novation would not at least use the velocity sensitivity of the Remote 25 SL pads, and if that is true, then they are at least on par with the AKAI pads.

      It’s my belief that when AKAI designed the Push, there were a lot of “Deluxe features” many people don’t necessarily want, resulting in an increased price tag… the people who want just the core functionality, will probably be drawn to the Launchpad Pro. Also, don’t underestimate the power of Automap.

  • CUSP

    MIDI PICTURES! MIDI ANIMATION?

  • CUSP

    MIDI PICTURES! MIDI ANIMATION?

  • CUSP

    MIDI PICTURES! MIDI ANIMATION?

  • einer2002

    One thing i reckon is the pro looks a bit toyish…

    the push is jet black and (it feels like(if not)) it’s metal.

    Lp pro is plastic and has no encoders. If you have the money, Go for a push…
    I have both and I just use the launchpad for launching clips and the push for everything else

  • einer2002

    One thing i reckon is the pro looks a bit toyish…

    the push is jet black and (it feels like(if not)) it’s metal.

    Lp pro is plastic and has no encoders. If you have the money, Go for a push…
    I have both and I just use the launchpad for launching clips and the push for everything else

  • einer2002

    One thing i reckon is the pro looks a bit toyish…

    the push is jet black and (it feels like(if not)) it’s metal.

    Lp pro is plastic and has no encoders. If you have the money, Go for a push…
    I have both and I just use the launchpad for launching clips and the push for everything else

  • floridagizzi

    Any idea if the note mode has built in different scales a la Launchpad95? Of course it’ll be possible with scripts, but a built in feature would be nice as I’ve found some scripts can be less than stable.

  • floridagizzi

    Any idea if the note mode has built in different scales a la Launchpad95? Of course it’ll be possible with scripts, but a built in feature would be nice as I’ve found some scripts can be less than stable.

  • floridagizzi

    Any idea if the note mode has built in different scales a la Launchpad95? Of course it’ll be possible with scripts, but a built in feature would be nice as I’ve found some scripts can be less than stable.

  • Joseph James

    TouchAble 3
    Launchpad Pro
    Maschine
    Akai Advance 49

    Shoot…..what else would one need!!!!!

    Looking forward to this years releases!!!!

  • Spiro Katechis

    What would be better for live performances? I am a dj/sampler that plays intros, bass drops, light scratching, samples in a rock band. I would like to know if I should wait to buy the launchpad pro when it comes out or the push? I also am getting into producing beats and stuff like that. What will be better for my needs? I use to use my techniques 1200’s and my 3 channel separate EQ vestax mixer and had to learn all the new digital technology. I just recently got back into music after not doing music for 10-12 years because I needed some me time from the wife and kids and I joined the rock band that wanted to add to there sound by adding a DJ. I am looking to use the push or launchpad pro as an instrument. Any feedback and advise would be greatly appreciated by me, so if somebody can point me in the right direction would make my life and desicions easier. Thank you Spiro A.K.A. Minister Sinister Spiro

  • DJ Sinister Minister Spark-e

    What would be better for live performances? I am a dj/sampler that plays intros, bass drops, light scratching, samples in a rock band. I would like to know if I should wait to buy the launchpad pro when it comes out or the push? I also am getting into producing beats and stuff like that. What will be better for my needs? I use to use my techniques 1200’s and my 3 channel separate EQ vestax mixer and had to learn all the new digital technology. I just recently got back into music after not doing music for 10-12 years because I needed some me time from the wife and kids and I joined the rock band that wanted to add to there sound by adding a DJ. I am looking to use the push or launchpad pro as an instrument. Any feedback and advise would be greatly appreciated by me, so if somebody can point me in the right direction would make my life and desicions easier. Thank you Spiro A.K.A. Minister Sinister Spiro

  • DJ Sinister Minister Spark-e

    What would be better for live performances? I am a dj/sampler that plays intros, bass drops, light scratching, samples in a rock band. I would like to know if I should wait to buy the launchpad pro when it comes out or the push? I also am getting into producing beats and stuff like that. What will be better for my needs? I use to use my techniques 1200’s and my 3 channel separate EQ vestax mixer and had to learn all the new digital technology. I just recently got back into music after not doing music for 10-12 years because I needed some me time from the wife and kids and I joined the rock band that wanted to add to there sound by adding a DJ. I am looking to use the push or launchpad pro as an instrument. Any feedback and advise would be greatly appreciated by me, so if somebody can point me in the right direction would make my life and desicions easier. Thank you Spiro A.K.A. Minister Sinister Spiro

  • Fabian-Robert Stöter

    So I’ve added bitwig support: https://github.com/RocketScienceAbteilung/novation-launchpad-pro

    Love to get feedback

  • Fabian-Robert Stöter

    So I’ve added bitwig support: https://github.com/RocketScienceAbteilung/novation-launchpad-pro

    Love to get feedback

  • Fabian-Robert Stöter

    So I’ve added bitwig support: https://github.com/RocketScienceAbteilung/novation-launchpad-pro

    Love to get feedback