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It’s easy to make an argument to any cash-strapped producer that a free DAW is good news. And it’s easy to convince a free and open source software advocate that a free-as-in-freedom DAW is a good thing.

But that’s not enough. If we’re going to talk about software, let’s make sure it’s worth using.

Ardour, the free and open source DAW, has always been powerful. But it hasn’t always been seamless to use – especially outside of Linux. Ardour 1 and Ardour 2 were incredible feats of engineering, and some people used them to make music, but let’s be honest – outside developers and Linux nuts, you wouldn’t find a whole lot of users. Then Ardour 3 came along and added MIDI – but it still wasn’t quite ready for prime time.

Ardour 4 is something different. It looks better – maybe not pretty, exactly, but easier on the eyes and more comfortable to use. It works better – loads of new functionality changes make it a more well-rounded tool.

But most relevant to most people, you can now install it on Windows and OS X and have it behave like you’d expect a DAW to behave.

Let’s go over the big differences:

big_editor4

It’s got a new UI. A bunch of graphics stuff has been reworked from the ground-up. There are more vectors, and everything is more modern. (vectors!) It’s also easier to switch color schemes.

It’s now on Windows and OS X. It’s now on both operating systems. On the Mac, it’s moved from unofficial to official and supported status. It’s also more in line with what you’d expect from a Mac app: Audio Units work more smoothly on the Mac, and it looks actually really slick on a Retina Display. On Windows, you can get unsupported nightly builds – in other words, Windows is where the Mac was until recently. But on both, more native plug-in support and more flexibility with audio engines means you don’t have to feel like you’re running a Linux app on your OS of choice.

You can use any audio engine. Yes, it works with the powerful JACK, but now also ALSA (Linux), ASIO (Windows), and Core Audio (OS X). Also, misbehaving plug-ins are less likely to cause crashes.

It does VSTs.. With Windows support, you also get native VST support – and VST support is better on both Linux and Windows (Linux also has some nice plug-ins that use the VST format).

It’s powerful for MIDI editing now. MIDI bounce, mix MIDI and audio data flow (as you might for a soft synth), edit modelessly, and make transformations more easily, among lots of other details.

Ripple edits. (Move or delete and other stuff moves to fit – video editors know what I’m talking about.) Why don’t all DAWs have this again?

More Control. QCon, original Mackie Control devices, AKAI MPK61, etc.

Less Memory. 80% memory consumption reduction headlines the other performance improvements here.

full_mixer4

There are a lot of other tweaks and improvements, too, even down to SoundCloud export.

Editing in Ardour for traditional tasks can be blindingly fast. You can focus more easily under the mouse, for instance, or quickly split regions. (You can still use the ‘s’ key for the latter, but now a mouse tool also accomplishes the task.) This menu sort of embodies what I mean:

You can easily shift the focus of while you're editing - hugely quick.

You can easily shift the focus of while you’re editing – hugely quick.

You probably have some sort of DAW at this point for some of your work. What you might not have is a DAW that works comfortably and reliably on any machine, including Linux, one that you can share with friends without worrying about who bought what, one go-to tool for quick editing and tracking when the others fail. And with these improvements, Ardour could be that DAW.

You can try it out for free – demos are free everywhere, and you can build from source. Or you can pay as little as US$1 to download a ready-to-run version.

In fact, the growing success of Ardour shows some vastly improved numbers for the voluntary subscription/payment model. For just a couple of bucks a month, you can really have some impact on Ardour’s development and earn yourself access to support. It seems like a great means of funding the project – that is, now that Ardour is picking up some steam.

I think it’s worth a few bucks and keeping around your drive, even if you have another DAW.

Also, the brilliant Harrison Mixbus 3 will in the next version use the Ardour 4 base.

Check out Ardour, download a free demo, or pay to get a pre-built version – starting at just a buck.

Ardour.org
What’s New
Download/Buy

And for the specific situation on Windows (we’d love some feedback for people testing this):
http://ardour.org/windows.html

  • PaulDavisTheFirst

    Peter: just one important correction. Ardour is not yet officially released for Windows. We make nightly builds available. More information about the Windows situation here: http://ardour.org/windows.html

    It may also be worth mentioning that Waves Tracks Live is also using the Ardour platform as its codebase.

    • Hey, it is officially available as an unsupported nightly build. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Sorry, made a clarification. I think this is a big step forward, though, so I should get this right — that is, there’s a lot more of what you need as far as plug-in support, there’s some sort of Windows build for the first time, and much as I think JACK is a great way to go, you also have a choice of audio engine. So that’s good news and to be congratulated (just not *quite* so over-enthusiastically as I did initially).

  • PaulDavisTheFirst

    Peter: just one important correction. Ardour is not yet officially released for Windows. We make nightly builds available. More information about the Windows situation here: http://ardour.org/windows.html

    It may also be worth mentioning that Waves Tracks Live is also using the Ardour platform as its codebase.

    • Hey, it is officially available as an unsupported nightly build. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Sorry, made a clarification. I think this is a big step forward, though, so I should get this right — that is, there’s a lot more of what you need as far as plug-in support, there’s some sort of Windows build for the first time, and much as I think JACK is a great way to go, you also have a choice of audio engine. So that’s good news and to be congratulated (just not *quite* so over-enthusiastically as I did initially).

  • PaulDavisTheFirst

    Peter: just one important correction. Ardour is not yet officially released for Windows. We make nightly builds available. More information about the Windows situation here: http://ardour.org/windows.html

    It may also be worth mentioning that Waves Tracks Live is also using the Ardour platform as its codebase.

    • Hey, it is officially available as an unsupported nightly build. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      Sorry, made a clarification. I think this is a big step forward, though, so I should get this right — that is, there’s a lot more of what you need as far as plug-in support, there’s some sort of Windows build for the first time, and much as I think JACK is a great way to go, you also have a choice of audio engine. So that’s good news and to be congratulated (just not *quite* so over-enthusiastically as I did initially).

  • Supercool project and it is progressing very well! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Supercool project and it is progressing very well! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Supercool project and it is progressing very well! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • ssj71

    Great article. Thanks for giving my favorite DAW some good coverage. I do think it might be worth mentioning that it’s pay what you want for a full working version and support (even paying just as little as $1). When you say “starting at $1” it kinda sounds like you have to pay more to get full features or something. Maybe it’s just me.

    Huge props to the ardour team!

    • On Ardour’s site, or in the story above? I’m not sure I can make it much clearer, re-reading my description! It’s $1 to download something other than source. From there, you get full support.

      • ssj71

        eh, I’m nit-picking the wording of the article. I shouldn’t though, its a great article, thanks!

  • ssj71

    Great article. Thanks for giving my favorite DAW some good coverage. I do think it might be worth mentioning that it’s pay what you want for a full working version and support (even paying just as little as $1). When you say “starting at $1” it kinda sounds like you have to pay more to get full features or something. Maybe it’s just me.

    Huge props to the ardour team!

    • On Ardour’s site, or in the story above? I’m not sure I can make it much clearer, re-reading my description! It’s $1 to download something other than source. From there, you get full support.

      • ssj71

        eh, I’m nit-picking the wording of the article. I shouldn’t though, its a great article, thanks!

  • ssj71

    Great article. Thanks for giving my favorite DAW some good coverage. I do think it might be worth mentioning that it’s pay what you want for a full working version and support (even paying just as little as $1). When you say “starting at $1” it kinda sounds like you have to pay more to get full features or something. Maybe it’s just me.

    Huge props to the ardour team!

    • On Ardour’s site, or in the story above? I’m not sure I can make it much clearer, re-reading my description! It’s $1 to download something other than source. From there, you get full support.

      • ssj71

        eh, I’m nit-picking the wording of the article. I shouldn’t though, its a great article, thanks!

  • Jim Aikin

    I’m curious about the VST support on Windows. I have Win7 64-bit, but my VSTs are all 32-bit, as is Cubase. I could probably upgrade some of the VSTs … but is Ardour’s VST support 32, 64, or both?

    • It’s either/or. You can download both builds, but 32 only loads x86 VST’s, and 64 only loads x64 VST’s. There’s no bridging.

  • Jim Aikin

    I’m curious about the VST support on Windows. I have Win7 64-bit, but my VSTs are all 32-bit, as is Cubase. I could probably upgrade some of the VSTs … but is Ardour’s VST support 32, 64, or both?

    • It’s either/or. You can download both builds, but 32 only loads x86 VST’s, and 64 only loads x64 VST’s. There’s no bridging.

  • Jim Aikin

    I’m curious about the VST support on Windows. I have Win7 64-bit, but my VSTs are all 32-bit, as is Cubase. I could probably upgrade some of the VSTs … but is Ardour’s VST support 32, 64, or both?

    • urbster1

      It’s either/or. You can download both builds, but 32 only loads x86 VST’s, and 64 only loads x64 VST’s. There’s no bridging.

  • Out of curiosity, would anyone be willing to give their input on workflow in Ardour vs. workflow in REAPER? Pros/cons to using either, or both? I’m on Windows, and as a long-time REAPER user I’d be interested in hearing what Ardour has to offer. I remember using it back in the day on some old Linux machines, but it’s come a long way since then!

    • ssj71

      Great question. I’d really like to hear what someone who has used both has to say too. Mostly just out of curiosity.

  • Out of curiosity, would anyone be willing to give their input on workflow in Ardour vs. workflow in REAPER? Pros/cons to using either, or both? I’m on Windows, and as a long-time REAPER user I’d be interested in hearing what Ardour has to offer. I remember using it back in the day on some old Linux machines, but it’s come a long way since then!

    • ssj71

      Great question. I’d really like to hear what someone who has used both has to say too. Mostly just out of curiosity.

  • urbster1

    Out of curiosity, would anyone be willing to give their input on workflow in Ardour vs. workflow in REAPER? Pros/cons to using either, or both? I’m on Windows, and as a long-time REAPER user I’d be interested in hearing what Ardour has to offer. I remember using it back in the day on some old Linux machines, but it’s come a long way since then!

    • ssj71

      Great question. I’d really like to hear what someone who has used both has to say too. Mostly just out of curiosity.

  • draeger

    the best DAW hands down – a wonderful sound/music application that has been my main tool for many years! can’t wait to take Ardour 4 for a ride! ๐Ÿ™‚ congrats Paul and the Ardour team!

  • draeger

    the best DAW hands down – a wonderful sound/music application that has been my main tool for many years! can’t wait to take Ardour 4 for a ride! ๐Ÿ™‚ congrats Paul and the Ardour team!

  • draeger

    the best DAW hands down – a wonderful sound/music application that has been my main tool for many years! can’t wait to take Ardour 4 for a ride! ๐Ÿ™‚ congrats Paul and the Ardour team!

  • really glad to hear CoreAudio is supported. Ardour is a great DAW and I can’t wait for a new Harrison update that’ll use this.

  • really glad to hear CoreAudio is supported. Ardour is a great DAW and I can’t wait for a new Harrison update that’ll use this.

  • really glad to hear CoreAudio is supported. Ardour is a great DAW and I can’t wait for a new Harrison update that’ll use this.

  • Sjakelien

    I have a question: WHY!? With Logic costing close to nothing, and having lite/pirated versions of other, mature DAWs around, software is the cheapest/freeest component of music production. If you cannot afford that, what would be next? Open source microphones, that you can get somewhere for free?
    Nevertheless, I will certainly give it a try. One aspect that is close to answering the ‘why’ question, is of course competition, making sure that the Steinbergs and Apples don’t get lazy. Is Ripple Edit the killer functionality?

    • prokoudine

      https://www.gearslutz.com/board/post-production-forum/996182-lets-kickstart-community-owned-post-daw-4.html

      “It exists because in 1999 I asked Digi for the source code to PT so that
      I could port it to a proper operating system [Linux]. They laughed, so I wrote
      my own DAW. And here we are today. My primary interest is still
      pro-audio on Linux, which is technically superior platform for
      everything that you guys do. The smart people in the audio tech world
      knew this back even in 2000, but almost nobody has had the guts to
      identify it as the right platform, for reasons I suggested in another
      post here. It hasn’t stopped Harrison, Studer, Lawo, Waves and others
      (even Digi for some things) from using it as the behind-the-scenes
      technology for their hardware, but I wanted something people could use
      on an actual computer rather than require them to spend thousands on a
      console (an option that only became possible in the mid-2000’s anyway).”

      • Jurgen

        I agree with Sjakellien that there is not many arguments for another DAW _under Mac_ since Logic Pro X is not only fairly inexpensive but very powerful, versatile and matured.
        For Linux it is of course a different thing, there Ardour fills a very painful gap.
        Another thing – though a different discussion – that is worthwhile to think about is Siakellien’s point that ‘if we want everything for free with what right do we expect anybody to pay for our work’. But as I said, it’s another subject.

        • prokoudine

          I find it difficult to understand the point you are making/trying to make.

          We (as in ‘people involved with free software projects’) don’t do it to give you gratis software. We are driven by an intirely different motivation (and not single one, too).

          So what was your question, again?

        • Freeks

          You didn’t understand that this is developed for Linux and OS X version is just a side project. It’s a bonus.

          For non audio professional Logic is too complicated for simple recording. Why was Bigwig released when there was more mature Ableton Live already on market?

          • ssj71

            I haven’t used Logic, but I think Ardour is of a similar complexity. They make every effort to make it useable, but to someone unfamiliar with DAWs in general, there will be a learning curve.
            I just want to make clear that Ardour is much more like logic than garage band or another simple recordig tool.

            You are definitely correct though that the development is primarily focused on linux.

          • Actually, can’t say I agree with this.

            Ardour, particularly with these recent improvements, is in fact less complex than Logic for lots of editing tasks.

            And there’s a lot of work going into Mac and Windows support, with mature Mac support there already.

            I use and really love Logic, but I’m playing with this a bit, partly for its editing tools. I’ll report back.

          • ssj71

            I see. Like I say, I haven’t used both, only Ardour. I’d love to learn that its true that Ardour does the same tasks more easily. Please do report back!

          • foljs

            Because Bigwig wanted to take a share of Live’s market, and because it promised a new, revolutionary engine and workflow.

        • ssj71

          Ardour isn’t free as in no cost. You must pay to download, even though you can pay whatever you want (down to $1). You can build it from source for free, but this requires enough technical knowhow that such users will usually be pretty helpful in providing useful feedback and assisting development, so such users are paying another way. There is no intention to give something for nothing.

          • Then again, the fact that it can be given away for about $1 is impressive…

          • ssj71

            The hope is that those who can pay more will, but those with very little will still be able to afford it. Its a challenging business approach to be sure.

        • What?

          Logic is shit

  • Sjakelien

    I have a question: WHY!? With Logic costing close to nothing, and having lite/pirated versions of other, mature DAWs around, software is the cheapest/freeest component of music production. If you cannot afford that, what would be next? Open source microphones, that you can get somewhere for free?
    Nevertheless, I will certainly give it a try. One aspect that is close to answering the ‘why’ question, is of course competition, making sure that the Steinbergs and Apples don’t get lazy. Is Ripple Edit the killer functionality?

    • prokoudine

      https://www.gearslutz.com/board/post-production-forum/996182-lets-kickstart-community-owned-post-daw-4.html

      “It exists because in 1999 I asked Digi for the source code to PT so that
      I could port it to a proper operating system [Linux]. They laughed, so I wrote
      my own DAW. And here we are today. My primary interest is still
      pro-audio on Linux, which is technically superior platform for
      everything that you guys do. The smart people in the audio tech world
      knew this back even in 2000, but almost nobody has had the guts to
      identify it as the right platform, for reasons I suggested in another
      post here. It hasn’t stopped Harrison, Studer, Lawo, Waves and others
      (even Digi for some things) from using it as the behind-the-scenes
      technology for their hardware, but I wanted something people could use
      on an actual computer rather than require them to spend thousands on a
      console (an option that only became possible in the mid-2000’s anyway).”

      • Jurgen

        I agree with Sjakellien that there is not many arguments for another DAW _under Mac_ since Logic Pro X is not only fairly inexpensive but very powerful, versatile and matured.
        For Linux it is of course a different thing, there Ardour fills a very painful gap.
        Another thing – though a different discussion – that is worthwhile to think about is Siakellien’s point that ‘if we want everything for free with what right do we expect anybody to pay for our work’. But as I said, it’s another subject.

        • prokoudine

          I find it difficult to understand the point you are making/trying to make.

          We (as in ‘people involved with free software projects’) don’t do it to give you gratis software. We are driven by an intirely different motivation (and not a single one, too).

          So what was your question, again? ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Freeks

          You didn’t understand that this is developed for Linux and OS X version is just a side project. It’s a bonus.

          For non audio professional Logic is too complicated for simple recording. Why was Bigwig released when there was more mature Ableton Live already on market?

          • ssj71

            I haven’t used Logic, but I think Ardour is of a similar complexity. They make every effort to make it useable, but to someone unfamiliar with DAWs in general, there will be a learning curve.
            I just want to make clear that Ardour is much more like logic than garage band or another simple recordig tool.

            You are definitely correct though that the development is primarily focused on linux.

          • Actually, can’t say I agree with this.

            Ardour, particularly with these recent improvements, is in fact less complex than Logic for lots of editing tasks.

            And there’s a lot of work going into Mac and Windows support, with mature Mac support there already.

            I use and really love Logic, but I’m playing with this a bit, partly for its editing tools. I’ll report back.

          • ssj71

            I see. Like I say, I haven’t used both, only Ardour. I’d love to learn that its true that Ardour does the same tasks more easily. Please do report back!

          • foljs

            Because Bigwig wanted to take a share of Live’s market, and because it promised a new, revolutionary engine and workflow.

        • ssj71

          Ardour isn’t free as in no cost. You must pay to download, even though you can pay whatever you want (down to $1). You can build it from source for free, but this requires enough technical knowhow that such users will usually be pretty helpful in providing useful feedback and assisting development, so such users are paying another way. There is no intention to give something for nothing.

          • Then again, the fact that it can be given away for about $1 is impressive…

          • ssj71

            The hope is that those who can pay more will, but those with very little will still be able to afford it. Its a challenging business approach to be sure.

        • What?

          Logic is shit

  • Sjakelien

    I have a question: WHY!? With Logic costing close to nothing, and having lite/pirated versions of other, mature DAWs around, software is the cheapest/freeest component of music production. If you cannot afford that, what would be next? Open source microphones, that you can get somewhere for free?
    Nevertheless, I will certainly give it a try. One aspect that is close to answering the ‘why’ question, is of course competition, making sure that the Steinbergs and Apples don’t get lazy. Is Ripple Edit the killer functionality?

    • prokoudine

      https://www.gearslutz.com/board/post-production-forum/996182-lets-kickstart-community-owned-post-daw-4.html

      “It exists because in 1999 I asked Digi for the source code to PT so that
      I could port it to a proper operating system [Linux]. They laughed, so I wrote
      my own DAW. And here we are today. My primary interest is still
      pro-audio on Linux, which is technically superior platform for
      everything that you guys do. The smart people in the audio tech world
      knew this back even in 2000, but almost nobody has had the guts to
      identify it as the right platform, for reasons I suggested in another
      post here. It hasn’t stopped Harrison, Studer, Lawo, Waves and others
      (even Digi for some things) from using it as the behind-the-scenes
      technology for their hardware, but I wanted something people could use
      on an actual computer rather than require them to spend thousands on a
      console (an option that only became possible in the mid-2000’s anyway).”

      • Jurgen

        I agree with Sjakellien that there is not many arguments for another DAW _under Mac_ since Logic Pro X is not only fairly inexpensive but very powerful, versatile and matured.
        For Linux it is of course a different thing, there Ardour fills a very painful gap.
        Another thing – though a different discussion – that is worthwhile to think about is Siakellien’s point that ‘if we want everything for free with what right do we expect anybody to pay for our work’. But as I said, it’s another subject.

        • prokoudine

          I find it difficult to understand the point you are making/trying to make.

          We (as in ‘people involved with free software projects’) don’t do it to give you gratis software. We are driven by an intirely different motivation (and not a single one, too).

          So what was your question, again? ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Freeks

          You didn’t understand that this is developed for Linux and OS X version is just a side project. It’s a bonus.

          For non audio professional Logic is too complicated for simple recording. Why was Bigwig released when there was more mature Ableton Live already on market?

          • ssj71

            I haven’t used Logic, but I think Ardour is of a similar complexity. They make every effort to make it useable, but to someone unfamiliar with DAWs in general, there will be a learning curve.
            I just want to make clear that Ardour is much more like logic than garage band or another simple recordig tool.

            You are definitely correct though that the development is primarily focused on linux.

          • Actually, can’t say I agree with this.

            Ardour, particularly with these recent improvements, is in fact less complex than Logic for lots of editing tasks.

            And there’s a lot of work going into Mac and Windows support, with mature Mac support there already.

            I use and really love Logic, but I’m playing with this a bit, partly for its editing tools. I’ll report back.

          • ssj71

            I see. Like I say, I haven’t used both, only Ardour. I’d love to learn that its true that Ardour does the same tasks more easily. Please do report back!

          • foljs

            Because Bigwig wanted to take a share of Live’s market, and because it promised a new, revolutionary engine and workflow.

        • ssj71

          Ardour isn’t free as in no cost. You must pay to download, even though you can pay whatever you want (down to $1). You can build it from source for free, but this requires enough technical knowhow that such users will usually be pretty helpful in providing useful feedback and assisting development, so such users are paying another way. There is no intention to give something for nothing.

          • Then again, the fact that it can be given away for about $1 is impressive…

          • ssj71

            The hope is that those who can pay more will, but those with very little will still be able to afford it. Its a challenging business approach to be sure.

        • What?

          Logic is shit

  • Random Chance

    I am really happy to see that there is something happening and Ardour as a project is still alive. But I think the article is not quite balanced as there is another important reason for free (as in freedom) software for creative people: How often have we been literally screwed over by companies that discontinued products, dropped support, couldn’t be bothered to port their software to a new version of operating system X or make it compatible with DAW Y? Don’t get me wrong: Free software where the source code (and a decent build system!) is available doesn’t magically guarantee freedom from obsolesence but having the source code is a pre-requisite to continued development. But that’s probably something that only politically-motivated nuts care about. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • prokoudine

      You won’t believe how often users of open source software complain about being screwd by its developers ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Random Chance

        Oh, I’m way more gullible than you give me credit for. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        It’s true that free software (which is a proper superset of open source software because being free also implies that there is a certain kind of license attached to the source and all other assets of the project that, among other things, allows people to fork the project if they think the original developers are going in the wrong direction or have just disappeared, TrueCrypt comes to mind for instance) is not a panacea. But at least is offers the possibility in both technical and legal terms to do something about certain problems. If doing what’s necessary is feasible, remains doubtful however, especially with big projects, but it has been done time and again, think MySQL and OpenOffice for example. Choice is good, even if among the options presented to you there is only one viable one given the circumstances. The circumstances might change.

    • gunboat_d

      *cough* Native Instruments! *cough*

  • Random Chance

    I am really happy to see that there is something happening and Ardour as a project is still alive. But I think the article is not quite balanced as there is another important reason for free (as in freedom) software for creative people: How often have we been literally screwed over by companies that discontinued products, dropped support, couldn’t be bothered to port their software to a new version of operating system X or make it compatible with DAW Y? Don’t get me wrong: Free software where the source code (and a decent build system!) is available doesn’t magically guarantee freedom from obsolesence but having the source code is a pre-requisite to continued development. But that’s probably something that only politically-motivated nuts care about. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • prokoudine

      You won’t believe how often users of open source software complain about being screwd by its developers ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Random Chance

        Oh, I’m way more gullible than you give me credit for. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        It’s true that free software (which is a proper superset of open source software because being free also implies that there is a certain kind of license attached to the source and all other assets of the project that, among other things, allows people to fork the project if they think the original developers are going in the wrong direction or have just disappeared, TrueCrypt comes to mind for instance) is not a panacea. But at least is offers the possibility in both technical and legal terms to do something about certain problems. If doing what’s necessary is feasible, remains doubtful however, especially with big projects, but it has been done time and again, think MySQL and OpenOffice for example. Choice is good, even if among the options presented to you there is only one viable one given the circumstances. The circumstances might change.

    • gunboat_d

      *cough* Native Instruments! *cough*

  • Random Chance

    I am really happy to see that there is something happening and Ardour as a project is still alive. But I think the article is not quite balanced as there is another important reason for free (as in freedom) software for creative people: How often have we been literally screwed over by companies that discontinued products, dropped support, couldn’t be bothered to port their software to a new version of operating system X or make it compatible with DAW Y? Don’t get me wrong: Free software where the source code (and a decent build system!) is available doesn’t magically guarantee freedom from obsolesence but having the source code is a pre-requisite to continued development. But that’s probably something that only politically-motivated nuts care about. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • prokoudine

      You won’t believe how often users of open source software complain about being screwd by its developers ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Random Chance

        Oh, I’m way more gullible than you give me credit for. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        It’s true that free software (which is a proper superset of open source software because being free also implies that there is a certain kind of license attached to the source and all other assets of the project that, among other things, allows people to fork the project if they think the original developers are going in the wrong direction or have just disappeared, TrueCrypt comes to mind for instance) is not a panacea. But at least is offers the possibility in both technical and legal terms to do something about certain problems. If doing what’s necessary is feasible, remains doubtful however, especially with big projects, but it has been done time and again, think MySQL and OpenOffice for example. Choice is good, even if among the options presented to you there is only one viable one given the circumstances. The circumstances might change.

    • gunboat_d

      *cough* Native Instruments! *cough*

  • Freeks

    I paid for Ardour year ago as tried to get to run on Linux. Didn’t get it to work as i know nothing about Linux and it seems very user un-friendly platform ๐Ÿ˜€

    Now after reading this article i tried to give it a try on OS X.
    I don’t get sound out for some reason so i can’t really test it but here few things from the UI:
    If you zoom midi track in arrangement enough it turns into piano roll. Excellent idea! I tried to draw some notes in and it seems to work a bit oddly.

    You can set different metering systems for mixer meters. Like set VU meter standard. Why does not Live and Logic let one change how meters work?

    But as i couldn’t get audio to go from channel to master to my headphones in 5min i doubt i will give it another chance.

  • Freeks

    I paid for Ardour year ago as tried to get to run on Linux. Didn’t get it to work as i know nothing about Linux and it seems very user un-friendly platform ๐Ÿ˜€

    Now after reading this article i tried to give it a try on OS X.
    I don’t get sound out for some reason so i can’t really test it but here few things from the UI:
    If you zoom midi track in arrangement enough it turns into piano roll. Excellent idea! I tried to draw some notes in and it seems to work a bit oddly.

    You can set different metering systems for mixer meters. Like set VU meter standard. Why does not Live and Logic let one change how meters work?

    But as i couldn’t get audio to go from channel to master to my headphones in 5min i doubt i will give it another chance.

  • Freeks

    I paid for Ardour year ago as tried to get to run on Linux. Didn’t get it to work as i know nothing about Linux and it seems very user un-friendly platform ๐Ÿ˜€

    Now after reading this article i tried to give it a try on OS X.
    I don’t get sound out for some reason so i can’t really test it but here few things from the UI:
    If you zoom midi track in arrangement enough it turns into piano roll. Excellent idea! I tried to draw some notes in and it seems to work a bit oddly.

    You can set different metering systems for mixer meters. Like set VU meter standard. Why does not Live and Logic let one change how meters work?

    But as i couldn’t get audio to go from channel to master to my headphones in 5min i doubt i will give it another chance.

  • I just tried the free version for windows and my antivirusprogramm
    (Kaspersky found a few files which seemed to be maleware and deleted it)
    – so I won’t try out a programm that uses such elements… sad… It seemed interesting…

    • xabe

      Most probably a โ€œfalse positiveโ€. It actually happens a lot, especially when it comes to new softwareโ€”which is a nightmare when publishing new software and seeing many users uninstalling it just because their anti-virus mistakenly detected a threat.
      Please report it to Kaspersky so they can look into it and either confirm it’s a malware or update their virus/malware definitions:
      http://newvirus.kaspersky.com/
      This is the only way to clear this up. If no one reports it, it will never change.
      If you have time, you can also notify Ardour about it ๐Ÿ™‚

    • PaulDavisTheFirst

      I am the lead author of Ardour. Its source code is available for anyone to read at any time. There is NO malware in Ardour. None. Zero. Ever.

      If Kaspersky claimed to find malware then Kaspersky is incorrect. The only other possibility is that you download Ardour from somewhere other than ardour.org. There are already files out there with names like “Ardour4.exe” which are 100% malware.

      • Nope… I got the programm directly from your page. I was directed from this page to yours… downloaded the programm… and it found 3 files which were detected as maleware… today it found another in this file:ardour-4.0.128-dbg-w64-setup.exe and titled it as a

        “Trojan-Ransom.Win32.Blocker.gzal”

        I am very sceptical… normally my antivirusprogramm is very good… but still it can be a true false… but you have to clear that with kaspersky, so other people won’t get scared like me….

        The other 6 files were all the .dll lib files , etc… which my antivirusprogramm instantly deleted… so even if i would love to have tried your programm it’s impossible…

        • PaulDavisTheFirst

          If Kaspersky just deletes arbitrary .dll files, then you will never be able to use Ardour with Kaspersky, since we deliberately include a bunch of shared libraries (.dll’s) in the packaging, rather than link them statically (so that the code in them vanishes “into” the program executable). We have no plans to ever change this, and there are many other large open source applications which use the same approach.

          These is the list of files included in the Windows 64 bit debug build:

          http://nightly.ardour.org/i/A_WIN_x86_64_FREE_DBG/file_list.txt

          We use the NSIS Windows installer/packager to build the “*-setup.exe” file, so if Kaspersky has an issue with that then it needs to be taken up with Debian Linux who provide it.

          Please consider downloading a current nightly build and get the SHA1 hash for the downloaded file, so we can verify if you are suffering from a man-in-the-middle attack.

        • PaulDavisTheFirst

          We tested the current build with Avast. It came out clean.

          We also talked to another audio software developer that we know. He had an issue recently where antivirus software was claiming his builds were infected. There was no way they could be. When he contacted them and told them that it was signed and clean etc their response was, well it’s a program we don’t have a signature for so our default position is that it must be a problem.

        • prokoudine

          Kaspersky is known to 1) issue false positives, 2) ignore users’ and developers’ complaints about false positives. Good luck with that software.

  • I just tried the free version for windows and my antivirusprogramm
    (Kaspersky found a few files which seemed to be maleware and deleted it)
    – so I won’t try out a programm that uses such elements… sad… It seemed interesting…

    • xabe

      Most probably a โ€œfalse positiveโ€. It actually happens a lot, especially when it comes to new softwareโ€”which is a nightmare when publishing new software and seeing many users uninstalling it just because their anti-virus mistakenly detected a threat.
      Please report it to Kaspersky so they can look into it and either confirm it’s a malware or update their virus/malware definitions:
      http://newvirus.kaspersky.com/
      This is the only way to clear this up. If no one reports it, it will never change.
      If you have time, you can also notify Ardour about it ๐Ÿ™‚

    • PaulDavisTheFirst

      I am the lead author of Ardour. Its source code is available for anyone to read at any time. There is NO malware in Ardour. None. Zero. Ever.

      If Kaspersky claimed to find malware then Kaspersky is incorrect. The only other possibility is that you download Ardour from somewhere other than ardour.org. There are already files out there with names like “Ardour4.exe” which are 100% malware.

      • Nope… I got the programm directly from your page. I was directed from this page to yours… downloaded the programm… and it found 3 files which were detected as maleware… today it found another in this file:ardour-4.0.128-dbg-w64-setup.exe and titled it as a

        “Trojan-Ransom.Win32.Blocker.gzal”

        I am very sceptical… normally my antivirusprogramm is very good… but still it can be a true false… but you have to clear that with kaspersky, so other people won’t get scared like me….

        The other 6 files were all the .dll lib files , etc… which my antivirusprogramm instantly deleted… so even if i would love to have tried your programm it’s impossible…

        • PaulDavisTheFirst

          If Kaspersky just deletes arbitrary .dll files, then you will never be able to use Ardour with Kaspersky, since we deliberately include a bunch of shared libraries (.dll’s) in the packaging, rather than link them statically (so that the code in them vanishes “into” the program executable). We have no plans to ever change this, and there are many other large open source applications which use the same approach.

          These is the list of files included in the Windows 64 bit debug build:

          http://nightly.ardour.org/i/A_WIN_x86_64_FREE_DBG/file_list.txt

          We use the NSIS Windows installer/packager to build the “*-setup.exe” file, so if Kaspersky has an issue with that then it needs to be taken up with Debian Linux who provide it.

          Please consider downloading a current nightly build and get the SHA1 hash for the downloaded file, so we can verify if you are suffering from a man-in-the-middle attack.

        • PaulDavisTheFirst

          We tested the current build with Avast. It came out clean.

          We also talked to another audio software developer that we know. He had an issue recently where antivirus software was claiming his builds were infected. There was no way they could be. When he contacted them and told them that it was signed and clean etc their response was, well it’s a program we don’t have a signature for so our default position is that it must be a problem.

        • prokoudine

          Kaspersky is known to 1) issue false positives, 2) ignore users’ and developers’ complaints about false positives. Good luck with that software.

  • I just tried the free version for windows and my antivirusprogramm
    (Kaspersky found a few files which seemed to be maleware and deleted it)
    – so I won’t try out a programm that uses such elements… sad… It seemed interesting…

    • xabe

      Most probably a โ€œfalse positiveโ€. It actually happens a lot, especially when it comes to new softwareโ€”which is a nightmare when publishing new software and seeing many users uninstalling it just because their anti-virus mistakenly detected a threat.
      Please report it to Kaspersky so they can look into it and either confirm it’s a malware or update their virus/malware definitions:
      http://newvirus.kaspersky.com/
      This is the only way to clear this up. If no one reports it, it will never change.
      If you have time, you can also notify Ardour about it ๐Ÿ™‚

    • PaulDavisTheFirst

      I am the lead author of Ardour. Its source code is available for anyone to read at any time. There is NO malware in Ardour. None. Zero. Ever.

      If Kaspersky claimed to find malware then Kaspersky is incorrect. The only other possibility is that you download Ardour from somewhere other than ardour.org. There are already files out there with names like “Ardour4.exe” which are 100% malware.

      • Nope… I got the programm directly from your page. I was directed from this page to yours… downloaded the programm… and it found 3 files which were detected as maleware… today it found another in this file:ardour-4.0.128-dbg-w64-setup.exe and titled it as a

        “Trojan-Ransom.Win32.Blocker.gzal”

        I am very sceptical… normally my antivirusprogramm is very good… but still it can be a true false… but you have to clear that with kaspersky, so other people won’t get scared like me….

        The other 6 files were all the .dll lib files , etc… which my antivirusprogramm instantly deleted… so even if i would love to have tried your programm it’s impossible…

        • PaulDavisTheFirst

          If Kaspersky just deletes arbitrary .dll files, then you will never be able to use Ardour with Kaspersky, since we deliberately include a bunch of shared libraries (.dll’s) in the packaging, rather than link them statically (so that the code in them vanishes “into” the program executable). We have no plans to ever change this, and there are many other large open source applications which use the same approach.

          These is the list of files included in the Windows 64 bit debug build:

          http://nightly.ardour.org/i/A_WIN_x86_64_FREE_DBG/file_list.txt

          We use the NSIS Windows installer/packager to build the “*-setup.exe” file, so if Kaspersky has an issue with that then it needs to be taken up with Debian Linux who provide it.

          Please consider downloading a current nightly build and get the SHA1 hash for the downloaded file, so we can verify if you are suffering from a man-in-the-middle attack.

        • PaulDavisTheFirst

          We tested the current build with Avast. It came out clean.

          We also talked to another audio software developer that we know. He had an issue recently where antivirus software was claiming his builds were infected. There was no way they could be. When he contacted them and told them that it was signed and clean etc their response was, well it’s a program we don’t have a signature for so our default position is that it must be a problem.

        • prokoudine

          Kaspersky is known to 1) issue false positives, 2) ignore users’ and developers’ complaints about false positives. Good luck with that software.

  • I downloaded the version directly from the creators page. Maybe that kaspersky gives a positive false… But this is just that it scares me away from programms. The creator should inform kaspersky about that and clear it out so further people won’t get scared.
    He has more infosabout the files. I as user can also inform kadpersky, which i will do when i have a little more time…

  • I downloaded the version directly from the creators page. Maybe that kaspersky gives a positive false… But this is just that it scares me away from programms. The creator should inform kaspersky about that and clear it out so further people won’t get scared.
    He has more infosabout the files. I as user can also inform kadpersky, which i will do when i have a little more time…

  • I downloaded the version directly from the creators page. Maybe that kaspersky gives a positive false… But this is just that it scares me away from programms. The creator should inform kaspersky about that and clear it out so further people won’t get scared.
    He has more infosabout the files. I as user can also inform kadpersky, which i will do when i have a little more time…

  • Dean Vaughn

    I just downloaded Ardour and have literally four hours working with it and I’ve found it to be incredibly easy to manipulate. MY band will be recording our “debut” CD on it this weekend, and I’m going to be using this for a while.

  • Dean Vaughn

    I just downloaded Ardour and have literally four hours working with it and I’ve found it to be incredibly easy to manipulate. MY band will be recording our “debut” CD on it this weekend, and I’m going to be using this for a while.

  • Dean Vaughn

    I just downloaded Ardour and have literally four hours working with it and I’ve found it to be incredibly easy to manipulate. MY band will be recording our “debut” CD on it this weekend, and I’m going to be using this for a while.

  • 5argeTech

    I’m an old school sequencer user from back in the day. (Yamaha QX21, QX5, Brother PDC100) I am going to learn how to use Ardour. I know it will be worth while. I have old sequence data from 1989 that I will upload into the program and rework and rediscover…

  • 5argeTech

    I’m an old school sequencer user from back in the day. (Yamaha QX21, QX5, Brother PDC100) I am going to learn how to use Ardour. I know it will be worth while. I have old sequence data from 1989 that I will upload into the program and rework and rediscover…

  • 5argeTech

    I’m an old school sequencer user from back in the day. (Yamaha QX21, QX5, Brother PDC100) I am going to learn how to use Ardour. I know it will be worth while. I have old sequence data from 1989 that I will upload into the program and rework and rediscover…

  • profoundWHALE

    Kaspersky, and other virus protection programs, mainly rely on a user submission basis. When someone tries a ‘nightly’ build, it means it’s been built that night/day and as such, no anti-virus has seen it before. If suddenly an unverified .exe or .msi is downloaded, it flags it since it hasn’t seen it before. You just have to add it to exclude lists.
    I’ve disabled a majority of ‘security features’ with my Kaspersky since it did things like block Steam, games, updates, websites, etc.